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Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:44 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
I am still confused about the concave portion of the side pods. If it weren't for the vents it would create a locked vortex flow but won't with the vents there. Best as I can guess until one of the aero guys puts something up on YT is that it is treating the slower hotter air coming out of the vents in a way that prevents separation and guides it back to the center of the rear wing to exit without disrupting and separating the cooler faster laminar flow coming from the leading edge of the side pods.
Whatever the reason they spent a lot of time and effort designing and incorporating those gills into that concave sidepod. Just by looks it was a much harder job than on the AMR22 which by comparison just looks like someone took some tin snips to the top of the side pod and they have looked clunky to me since the beginning, but it doesn't mean they aren't fast and effective.
BTW there is a lot of language in the tech regs just about whole in the car:
Whatever the reason they spent a lot of time and effort designing and incorporating those gills into that concave sidepod. Just by looks it was a much harder job than on the AMR22 which by comparison just looks like someone took some tin snips to the top of the side pod and they have looked clunky to me since the beginning, but it doesn't mean they aren't fast and effective.
BTW there is a lot of language in the tech regs just about whole in the car:
quote:
3.7.5 Apertures
Once the Rear Bodywork surfaces are fully defined in accordance with Articles 3.7.1 to 3.7.4,
the following apertures may be added:
a. For the sole purpose of allowing suspension members and their fairings and
driveshafts to protrude through the bodywork and provided that the result of adding
the aperture does not subvert the intention of regulation 3.7.4, a single aperture may
be added for each suspension member and driveshaft. No such aperture may have an
area greater than 12,000mm2
. No point on an aperture may be more than 200mm
from any other point on the aperture. Individual apertures may adjoin or overlap each
other. At the legality ride height defined in Article 10.1.4, the aperture must enclose
the suspension member, including its fairing, or driveshaft for parts forward of
XR= -55.
b. For the sole purpose of allowing cooling flow exits, apertures may be added provided
they lie within RV-RBW-APERTURE. The total area (per side of the car) of such
apertures may be no greater than 150,000mm2
. Furthermore, any apertures added
must be arranged such that, when viewed from above, no part of RS-RBW-APERTURE
may be visible through the aperture and any underlying part of the car exposed by
application of an aperture must lie no further than 50mm normal to the untrimmed
surface.
c. For the sole purpose of allowing cooling flow exits, apertures may be added inboard of
Y= 25. The total area of such apertures may not be greater than 30,000mm2 per side of
the car.
d. For the sole purpose of cooling auxiliary components, (such as Electrical Components,
etc.), apertures may be added forward of XF=1300 or below Z=100. The total area of
such apertures may not exceed 5,000mm2 per side of the car.
All areas mentioned in this Article will be measured on the untrimmed Rear Bodywork
surface.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:45 am to Obtuse1
News everyone expected finally announced
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:51 am to Obtuse1
quote:
If it weren't for the vents it would create a locked vortex flow but won't with the vents there
One of the aero nerds had touched on this with another car. Would create a high pressure and push the car towards the ground.
Maybe they came up with some calc that lets them create high pressure at slower speeds and then flow turns more laminar at higher speeds removing the downforce?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:56 am to fightin tigers
Nice, America still has two team principals in F1.
If only we had a driver...
If only we had a driver...
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:59 am to bikerack
How do you think the Masi situation played out? F1 thinks he handled the situation incorrectly or was Masi the sacrificial lamb to appease Mercedes?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:00 am to pjab
Probably a little of both. Masi had some frick ups through out the year so the FIA probably wasn’t dying to keep him on.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:21 am to JohnnyKilroy
Masi's incidents went back to 2020 as well. Tuscan GP maybe?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:25 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
Probably a little of both. Masi had some frick ups through out the year so the FIA probably wasn’t dying to keep him on.
Agreed, but this may go down in the be careful what you wish for category.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:29 am to fightin tigers
Didn't we also have LeClerc and Kyvat running full throttle laps without seatbelts and neither of them got in trouble for it? That one seemed like it should've been a big deal to me.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:52 am to Obtuse1
Dumb that the communication with race director won’t be broadcast any longer. The ‘openness’ of communications was one of the best things about F1.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:58 am to Xenophon
You have it wrong. They are no longer allowed to communicate directly with the race director during the race.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:12 pm to VABuckeye
No, they still can with a "new process". The tweet that was posted didn't go into more detail.
From the FIA announcement.
From the FIA announcement.
quote:
Radio communications to the race director during the race will be removed from the television broadcast. Questions can still be asked via a new well-defined and non-intrusive process.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 12:27 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Going back to some resemblance of pre-2021. There will be one person from each team that can speak, and it won't be the team boss.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/17/22 at 1:02 pm to fightin tigers
I wonder with the alternating director role if we'll eventually say "aw shite, Freitas is directing this race." Similar to how I used to bitch when Tom Ritter would officiate LSU games.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 1:03 pm to fightin tigers
Masi being sacked is pretty much confirmation that he gifted Max the championship.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 3:31 pm to BottomlandBrew
quote:
I wonder with the alternating director role if we'll eventually say "aw shite, Freitas is directing this race."
My concern is like not having a permanent set of stewards you get a varied application of the rules with each director, basically no consistency.
Charlie took a lot of crap over the years but he is being proven out to have had solid control of what is otherwise utter chaos.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:18 pm to Obtuse1
Looking through Scarb's tweets:
One thing he notes here we couldn't see yesterday is the nose is lower than it looked yesterday AND it is fully loaded. It isn't actually fully loaded there are some curves out near the endplate which are most likely designed to create outwash... rules are to reduce dirty air, teams say we will see about that. The odd thing is with a relatively low fully loaded wing where the hell are they getting the air for the venturi tunnels???
Scarb thinks the concavity is to direct air to the beam wing, which is kinda obvious but I would like a better technical treatment of what is actually going on with the hot air vs cold air.
Scarb "The flat sided pod flank is the odd thing here. I wonder if the internal rad layout is different? Perhaps stacked near vertically like the MP4-30?" He means the MP4-29.
Vanes, vanes everywhere: on the halo, behind the halo and on the roll hoop.
Scarb "Interesting nose. The entire length must be part of the crash structure. But being so, long ferrari have split it. I'd guess the entire nose would normally be switched, not just the tip." I think he missed the fact just the upper part is part of the crash structure specifically to allow for quick development time for the front wing. I do agree they will likely be changing both parts if there is damage. It does make me wonder if this bottom section is a ruse because again I can't see where they are getting sufficient air in the tunnels with this wing. Several of the teams have the vortex generators on the trailing edge of the top element of the front wing (starts on the wong below it) would love to see a CFD view of exactly what it does. Ferrari also seem to have more going on at the bottom of the tire winglets and their front suspension components seem to be very tightly packaged.
Every detail of this car seems to be so purposeful and most are not are really the easy or the conventional approach. So there is that small optimistic part of me that wants to jump up and down, but I know better. At least the thing will be gorgeous either at the front or getting lapped.
One thing he notes here we couldn't see yesterday is the nose is lower than it looked yesterday AND it is fully loaded. It isn't actually fully loaded there are some curves out near the endplate which are most likely designed to create outwash... rules are to reduce dirty air, teams say we will see about that. The odd thing is with a relatively low fully loaded wing where the hell are they getting the air for the venturi tunnels???
Scarb thinks the concavity is to direct air to the beam wing, which is kinda obvious but I would like a better technical treatment of what is actually going on with the hot air vs cold air.
Scarb "The flat sided pod flank is the odd thing here. I wonder if the internal rad layout is different? Perhaps stacked near vertically like the MP4-30?" He means the MP4-29.
Vanes, vanes everywhere: on the halo, behind the halo and on the roll hoop.
Scarb "Interesting nose. The entire length must be part of the crash structure. But being so, long ferrari have split it. I'd guess the entire nose would normally be switched, not just the tip." I think he missed the fact just the upper part is part of the crash structure specifically to allow for quick development time for the front wing. I do agree they will likely be changing both parts if there is damage. It does make me wonder if this bottom section is a ruse because again I can't see where they are getting sufficient air in the tunnels with this wing. Several of the teams have the vortex generators on the trailing edge of the top element of the front wing (starts on the wong below it) would love to see a CFD view of exactly what it does. Ferrari also seem to have more going on at the bottom of the tire winglets and their front suspension components seem to be very tightly packaged.
Every detail of this car seems to be so purposeful and most are not are really the easy or the conventional approach. So there is that small optimistic part of me that wants to jump up and down, but I know better. At least the thing will be gorgeous either at the front or getting lapped.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:34 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
So there is that small optimistic part of me that wants to jump up and down, but I know better. At least the thing will be gorgeous either at the front or getting lapped.
The uncertainty is so refreshing. The anticipation leading up to the first race is gonna be huge. I hope there's no rumbling of one team dominating at the Catalunya test. And I don't think anyone is going to be sandbagging at the test.
I'm just hoping for Mercedes and Red Bull to take a step back, and Williams to take a step forward.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:38 pm to sorantable
quote:or just appeasing the non-stop Mercedes cryfest. Notice that Hamilton was MIA until the "investigation " was complete
Masi being sacked is pretty much confirmation that he gifted Max the championship.
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