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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:09 am to BleedPnG
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:09 am to BleedPnG
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would argue that Norris and Max are the best drivers currently in F1 hands down!
I believe they truly pull every bit of performance possible out of the car he is given.
Arguments?
Maybe. You could probably put several people in the RBR car and they would win the title against Checo. Norris, Hamilton, Alonso, Ric (pre-2022), George.
I think Hamilton is maybe the only one who could defeat Max in the Red Bull on a consistent basis (5-5 or 6-4). They would maybe split the titles with the slight edge to Max at this time. Norris couldn't do that. Maybe George could. Alonso might be on that level as well, but I just don't know how much of his stuff is leftover from 20 years ago.
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Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:11 am to shel311
quote:
but he should probably have a bit more self awareness
Lewis Hamilton has many good traits... self-awareness is not among them
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:14 am to barry
quote:I mean, he's pretty awful right now. I'm not sure how much stock those 8 wins have win race after race this season he disappoints.
Come on, dude with 8 career wins is tier 6.
I don't know about tiers but if you're just ranking dudes on performance this season, is he even top 15 out of 20?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:16 am to 225rumpshaker
On pure racecraft, IMO:
LeClerc tier 1, Sainz and Alonso Tier 2
LeClerc tier 1, Sainz and Alonso Tier 2
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:16 am to shel311
He is ranked 13 in the driver standings. So yes, he’s in the top 15
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:17 am to shel311
quote:
I don't know about tiers but if you're just ranking dudes on performance this season, is he even top 15 out of 20?
Didn't think it was this season's performance, why would Hamilton be tier 1 and georoge 2?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:20 am to TigerAlumni2010
quote:Thanks. I have two rooms at the Hilton Garden Inn using points, but that house was a good deal. I'd rather have spent $250 a night for a house than use all the points I had to use to get the two rooms.
It looks like it already got scooped up, but it was a 3 bedroom house in Del Valle for about $250 a night.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:21 am to horsesandbulls
quote:Well they're not all in the same car, so that's not a good way to look at it at all.
He is ranked 13 in the driver standings. So yes, he’s in the top 15
Was Bottas better than Russel last season and then Russel coincidentally better than Bottas this season?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:22 am to barry
quote:True, that's a fair point.
Didn't think it was this season's performance, why would Hamilton be tier 1 and georoge 2?
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:30 am to barry
I based it on drivers I thought currently would get the most out of cars.
To me you put Ricardo back at RBR he wouldn’t be leading the WDC, you put Lewis at RBR this year he would be.
Perhaps I was to harsh on Ricardo, I could see him being in the 4th tier
To me you put Ricardo back at RBR he wouldn’t be leading the WDC, you put Lewis at RBR this year he would be.
Perhaps I was to harsh on Ricardo, I could see him being in the 4th tier
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:54 am to shel311
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Well they're not all in the same car, so that's not a good way to look at it at all.
Was Bottas better than Russel last season and then Russel coincidentally better than Bottas this season?
I feel like that's the only way to look at it. Anything else is speculation. The whole point of this sport is to combine driving talent along with equipment. It's why I watch this instead of NASCAR.
Mercedes got rid of Bottas for Rusell, a driver they thought would perform better in the future than the one they currently had.
To your original point about Danny not even being top 15, I think he's in the bottom of the top 10 if you gave everyone equal vehicles.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:57 am to horsesandbulls
quote:But do you truly think Bottas was the better driver last season and Russell is the better driver this season, and not the difference in the car?
Mercedes got rid of Bottas for Rusell, a driver they thought would perform better in the future than the one they currently had.
quote:How? He's in a top 4 car now. So basically he's not bottom half of the top 10 in a car better than half of the field, how would he then be bottom half of top 10 if every car was equal? There are dudes in worse cars who are better than him, and you've already said that alone makes them better drivers, seems to be contradictory of your previous line about the points.
To your original point about Danny not even being top 15, I think he's in the bottom of the top 10 if you gave everyone equal vehicles.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:36 pm to shel311
I'm not sure you are going to find a hard and fast rule that applies to every driver in every situation.
Even in equal cars someone will like oversteer or understeer better. Which will make them look superior to another driver.
Hell, Mazepin drove a 2019 Merc around Barcelona faster than any other F1 driver in a session.
Even in equal cars someone will like oversteer or understeer better. Which will make them look superior to another driver.
Hell, Mazepin drove a 2019 Merc around Barcelona faster than any other F1 driver in a session.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:47 pm to fightin tigers
quote:Sure, but it's a bit odd to say Ric would be in the top 10 in equal cars when he's not in the top 10 in a better than average while at the very same time saying whatever your points/standing is how good you are.
I'm not sure you are going to find a hard and fast rule that applies to every driver in every situation.
Even in equal cars someone will like oversteer or understeer better. Which will make them look superior to another driver.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 12:52 pm to shel311
If the car doesn't fit their style, or there are extenuating circumstances it's going to skew the results.
Alonso is driving the 4th best car and is in 9th place. Taking a snapshot of the situation leaves out a lot of data.
Alonso is driving the 4th best car and is in 9th place. Taking a snapshot of the situation leaves out a lot of data.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:14 pm to shel311
My point is the only true way to compare drivers is by going off of the standings since that is the agreed upon metric. Anything else is speculation.
Your original question asked about performance alone. To me, performance is measured by the driver standings.
So based on that Danny is 13th.
If you are talking about equalizing everything for the drivers, you are left with talent, athleticism, age and focus/drive. With that in mind, not what cars they drive, I think Danny is in the 7-10 range. He’s the 4th oldest on the track and 2 months older than bottas.
I hate to admit it but I do think at this point in time, George is the better driver compared with Bottas based on those four attributes I just listed.
Again, without having anything to really measure those intangibles mentioned above, it’s speculation.
Your original question asked about performance alone. To me, performance is measured by the driver standings.
So based on that Danny is 13th.
If you are talking about equalizing everything for the drivers, you are left with talent, athleticism, age and focus/drive. With that in mind, not what cars they drive, I think Danny is in the 7-10 range. He’s the 4th oldest on the track and 2 months older than bottas.
I hate to admit it but I do think at this point in time, George is the better driver compared with Bottas based on those four attributes I just listed.
Again, without having anything to really measure those intangibles mentioned above, it’s speculation.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:45 pm to horsesandbulls
Looks like Ferrari are going to be yellow this weekend.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:49 pm to fightin tigers
quote:What!? Why, they have the sleekest looking paint scheme on the grid IMO.
Looks like Ferrari are going to be yellow this weekend.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:50 pm to 225rumpshaker
It will at least match the flag when the inevitable Prancing Grenade rears its head this weekend.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 1:55 pm to 225rumpshaker
Not sure if it will be the whole car, or just a lot of yellow around their garages and some scheme highlights.
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