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Posted on 8/8/22 at 10:26 am to BleedPnG
I think F1 prefers the manufacturers, especially with the rumors of audi taking over sauber. and then you have porsche getting half of RBR technologies. but f1 covets the american audience. get a team with a brand name like andretti, that would be hard to say no to.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 2:06 pm to 1999
Silly Season tidbits...
https://racingnews365.com/revealed-why-piastri-wont-race-for-alpine-in-2023
quote:
Some info by Dieter Rencken again (making Alpine mega stupid and would explain why both contracts are "valid" per Autohebdo + why Alpine is having "technicalities" issues per Chris Medland):
Piastri had signed a contract with Alpine in November 2021, which contained a clause outlining the team’s obligations towards Piastri.
These obligations included giving Piastri a certain number of test kilometers in an F1 car, which RacingNews365.com understands is in excess of 3,500km, along with paying his expenses and making him Alpine's reserve driver in 2022.
If Alpine fulfilled these obligations, an option existed for the team to place Piastri in a race seat for 2023.
Crucially, however, this contract was between Piastri and Alpine's Driver Academy, rather than the F1 team. This meant the contract was never registered with Formula 1's Contract Recognition Board, as it was not a F1 contract.
Accordingly, when McLaren lodged their contract with Piastri with the CRB after signing the Australian, neither Alpine nor McLaren received any notification from the CRB of any conflict.
Should Alpine decide to pursue the matter in a civil court, it is understood that the team would chiefly be seeking financial compensation for losing Piastri, rather than a ruling obliging the Australian to drive for Alpine in 2023.
About Daniel: "Negotiations currently ongoing as to the terms of such a split, but RacingNews365.com understands that Ricciardo's camp are looking for financial compensation in the region of $21 million."
https://racingnews365.com/revealed-why-piastri-wont-race-for-alpine-in-2023
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 4:37 pm to busbeepbeep
So, pretty much what I am gathering is that Piastri's contract wasn't actually with Alpine's F1 team so the "clearing board" never actually got the contract, and that the same board has approved his F1 contract with McLaren, despite there possibly being an existing contract(though be it not an F1 contract) with Alpine's junior team.
I am assuming there will be some form of legal fight.
I am assuming there will be some form of legal fight.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:37 pm to TigerAlumni2010
quote:The only fight Alpine can make it going after Piastri to pay back some of the money they spent on him, but they can't do anything to keep him from driving for McLaren in 2023.
I am assuming there will be some form of legal fight.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 6:31 pm to busbeepbeep
For someone who hasn't done a single F1 race yet, Piastri comes off as an entitled, ungrateful snot. Of course he only did this because McLaren signed him and his near-term future is secure. But burning bridges in F1 is not a smart thing. There aren't that many good teams.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 6:58 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
quote:How so?
For someone who hasn't done a single F1 race yet, Piastri comes off as an entitled, ungrateful snot.
quote:Alpine didn't have a spot for him when he signed with McLaren. Why should he have waited? That coulda bit him in the arse and people would be talking his arrogance to not sign with McLaren and how that cost him an F1 seat he may never see again.
Of course he only did this because McLaren signed him and his near-term future is secure. But burning bridges in F1 is not a smart thing. There aren't that many good teams.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:01 pm to shel311
Especially since it was more likely Alpine was going to loan Piastri to Williams than give Piastri an Alpine seat at the time he signed with McLaren
Posted on 8/9/22 at 7:56 pm to busbeepbeep
quote:If his team thinks the contract stuff is good to go, signing with McLaren seems like a no brainer to me.
Especially since it was more likely Alpine was going to loan Piastri to Williams than give Piastri an Alpine seat at the time he signed with McLaren
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:09 pm to shel311
quote:
How so?
Well first of all, I'm talking about something other than the legal situation; his public communications have been terrible. Renault/Alpine supported his career to the tune of millions of dollars, and his response to the situation is just this terse tweet:
https://twitter.com/OscarPiastri/status/1554527452231262210
If you don't think that's a bad look, I don't know what to tell you.
Adam Cooper has a nice thoughtful article covering many aspects of this situation. This pretty much explains how I feel about it:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-piastris-attempt-to-join-mclaren-carries-risky-implications/10351061/
quote:
However, a year or even two alongside Alex Albon at Williams would have been a decent place to learn. Not going straight into a major team didn't do any harm for Russell, or indeed the likes of Alonso at Minardi, Max Verstappen at Toro Rosso, and Kimi Raikkonen and Charles Leclerc at Sauber, to name just a few.
As it turns out, Piastri is actually walking away not from Williams, but from the chance of starting his career at Alpine, a works manufacturer team, lest we forget.
Ocon has been there for a while and is well established, but Piastri himself has been in the camp for three years. He would have had the full support of a team that had invested in him, and would thus have given him time to find his feet and make the sort of mistakes that rookies usually have to go through and learn from.
At McLaren he'll be in an unfamiliar environment, and up against Lando Norris, Zak Brown's protege, who will be in his fifth year in the team. Norris is seriously good, and totally at home in the Woking camp, having come through the ranks as a McLaren junior.
Piastri, hugely talented as he obviously is, will be the outsider, the man who also has to justify to the world that he was worth offloading Ricciardo for. History may relate that he does just that, but it's a tough ask.
You can call it confidence, you can call it arrogance. The fact is that there's no guarantee of success in F1 no matter how well a driver's junior career went. Having a team that you know will be supportive (because they have already invested millions towards your success) is probably the smarter play. It's like being a high draft pick. You are far more likely to make the team and get the support to be a success.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:39 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
He put a lot of pressure on himself unseating Ricciardo, going head-to-head with Norris, and getting in the seat of a potential basketcase car.
I agree with you Axe, this dude may have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way without even stepping in a cockpit.
I'm withholding my judgement on the guy, but he may get a lot of hate if he struggles or makes some rookie errors.
I agree with you Axe, this dude may have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way without even stepping in a cockpit.
I'm withholding my judgement on the guy, but he may get a lot of hate if he struggles or makes some rookie errors.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:55 pm to fightin tigers
quote:
this dude may have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way
Pastry is the new Alonso?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 9:35 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
quote:
TouchedTheAxeIn82
all good points. Can't wait to watch it unfold. Should be great drama. Just waiting to see how the rest of the seats play out
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:21 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
quote:There's no guarantee of getting a seat either.
The fact is that there's no guarantee of success in F1 no matter how well a driver's junior career went.
quote:This is playing the result though. At the time he signed with McLaren, he did not have a seat with Alpine. I'm not sure how you can blame him for taking a shot with a similar team's who actually made him ah offer. All of that presupposes there was a spot for him with Alpine but there wasn't.
As it turns out, Piastri is actually walking away not from Williams, but from the chance of starting his career at Alpine, a works manufacturer team, lest we forget.
Ocon has been there for a while and is well established, but Piastri himself has been in the camp for three years. He would have had the full support of a team that had invested in him, and would thus have given him time to find his feet and make the sort of mistakes that rookies usually have to go through and learn from.
quote:The way that is worded, is bet a fairly substantial amount that the entire message was crafted by his legal team.
If you don't think that's a bad look, I don't know what to tell you
quote:But again, he didn't have that. The more apt comparison, though not the perfect real world comparison, would be an MLB player in the minor leagues having his team tell him to wait longer and they may call him up but also may not have a roster spot for him for who knows how long, and a similarly good team offering you a call up and starting spot on the ML squad. I don't see how you pass that up, it's not guaranteed to come again.
Having a team that you know will be supportive (because they have already invested millions towards your success) is probably the smarter play. It's like being a high draft pick. You are far more likely to make the team and get the support to be a success.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:23 pm to shel311
I don't think anyone is blaming Pastry, but he is responsible if he had a contract.
Your minor leaguer has a contract to respect, or pay to get out.
Your minor leaguer has a contract to respect, or pay to get out.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:50 pm to fightin tigers
quote:That's why I mentioned it wasn't a perfect real world comparison but it was something along those lines.
Your minor leaguer has a contract to respect, or pay to get ou
quote:And if he didn't? Seems his side is arguing contractually he was well within his rights to sign with another team.
I don't think anyone is blaming Pastry, but he is responsible if he had a contract
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:00 am to shel311
I'm with you there. There is definitely some split with how each side is interpreting the contract.
It does explain how the Mclaren contract was approved through the board though. Now though it seems the board is out of it.
It does explain how the Mclaren contract was approved through the board though. Now though it seems the board is out of it.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 2:43 pm to fightin tigers
Y'all ready? The greatest race track on planet Earth better not be removed from the race calendar, or else...
Posted on 8/11/22 at 2:55 pm to TexasTiger33
The fact that they are even considering removing Spa is absurd, it is arguably the best circuit on the calendar and I would venture to say in everyone's top 5.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 3:15 pm to TigerAlumni2010
quote:Easily. I'd give up pretty much everything but Monza and Silverstone before I gave up Spa and even then Monza's iffy.
The fact that they are even considering removing Spa is absurd, it is arguably the best circuit on the calendar and I would venture to say in everyone's top 5.
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