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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread

Posted on 6/16/22 at 1:51 pm to
Posted by TigerAlumni2010
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 1:51 pm to
Probably the best place to take engine penalties would be a GP with Sprint Qualifying, but this isn't terrible. Y'all think it would be prudent to take an extra penalty at Silverstone just to have 2 for the rest of the year?
Posted by saintforlife1
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:07 pm to
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Red Bull likely just got the WDC and WCC on a platter as they would seem to be least effected

frick Horner and Max. That's all I got to say about that.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:12 pm to
Considering RBR had the worst amplitude of porposing in Spain I wouldn't read too much into who will be punished by this and who won't.
Posted by saintforlife1
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:13 pm to
What? Didn't Mercedes have the worst numbers at like 6gs or something, or did the read the chart completely wrong?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:17 pm to
That was Baku. Someone has posted all the available data and it is all over the charts for each race.

This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 2:20 pm
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:24 pm to
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reports that Charles is getting PU3 with a new turbo this weekend. So that means a 10-place grid penalty on Sunday.

Isn't it early in the season for this?

Or is the thought they he'll know need it eventually, so why not do it now in a good spot?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:34 pm to
Well, his last one is probably still in Maranello so he doesn't have a lot of choice.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:36 pm to
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Well, his last one is probably still in Maranello so he doesn't have a lot of choice.

So is the norm for these pieces that if you don't have a setback all season, you should be good to go, but if any piece blows earlier than expected, you'll at some point have to replace and take a penalty?

I'll just say thanks in advance so I don't waste a post afterwards.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:38 pm to
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I'm just starting to get into F1 2021, but playing it a shite ton, so in the next week or 2 I'm going to purchase a racing wheel/stand/chair set and hopefully try to get into it a bit more.

I know iRacing is the best one going, but I wonder if there are any F1 specific type leagues?

I'm definitely not good enough now, I use a couple of assists and can still drive more erratically than I want to lol. But hopefully the wheel and more time put in can help with that.




Be careful, its very addicting F1 2021 games are a good start, iracing is harder but is way more realistic and can end up in a race with Verstappen and has a ton of options as far as racing other cars, here is my Sim Rig setup.



Fanatec CSL DD
Fanatec Clubsport v3 pedals
Fanatec Clubsport Formula v2.5
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 2:41 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:38 pm to
You get three ICE. Once you use up those three it's a 10 place grid penalty. Each subsequent ICE used is a 5 place grid penalty. There are allowances on other bits and pieces as well.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:39 pm to
My hero!
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:45 pm to
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You get three ICE. Once you use up those three it's a 10 place grid penalty. Each subsequent ICE used is a 5 place grid penalty. There are allowances on other bits and pieces as well.


And Merc showed last year that take tge 10 early and the 5 is much more bearable.

Fwiw the, somewhat lenient, penalties are a holdover from when RBR was burning through Honda engines and protested F1 that the penalties were too harsh, so they were greatly reduced.

Doesn't really matter, but shows how the winds blow, and usually in favor of the chasing teams.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:47 pm to
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here is my Sim Rig setup.
Geez, that looks amazing!


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Be careful, its very addicting
I'm already addicted and haven't even gotten the wheel yet. The stars have aligned pretty well for me. My boys are away for the summer, my wife picking up all kinds of random shifts and working weekends, and I just have a shite ton of free time. I'm legit playing F1 2021 2-3 hours per day, 4-5 on the weekends lol. It's not healthy

I'm gonna grab the Logitech G923 and a cheap $100 or so racing stand and start there.

Definitely not ready for something like iRacing. I really want to do the cockpit view but I'm just terrible at it, so I'm using the TV offset pod view on F1 2021 currently.

Again, thinking from being a starter, I've always been wanting to get a nice $200-300 office chair as I work from home at a computer all day, so I'm thinking I'll just get a nice chair, maybe a PC type gaming chair and for now just use that as my chair to get with the wheel/stand.

I guess if I'm still logging hours per day down the road, a setup something like you have would be something to look into. I'm very jealous.

I still don't think I understand what the DD does in addition the wheel's force feedback?
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 2:58 pm to
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I'm gonna grab the Logitech G923 and a cheap $100 or so racing stand and start there.



Thats plenty good enough. For sim racing and racing in general its all about the brakes. Sure a fancy wheel has some useful stuff like changing brake bias in race, and fuel mix and what not but its mostly just tight to look at, and the end of the day, you just need something to turn. Braking is much more precise and where you should spend money first if you ever do decide to invest.

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Definitely not read for something like iRacing. I really want to do the cockpit view but I'm just terrible at it, so I'm using the TV offset pod view on F1 2021 currently.


In iracing its not even an option All the pro e-sports drivers in f1 2021 use that pod view, which just seems bullshite because its sim racing as in simulated, i think the leagues should force them. Anyways, you get used to it real quick.

IF you want to improve my advice to you is

1) learn the tracks, its the hardest thing to do, but track knowledge is how you go fast. That means turning off the racing line and memorizing your braking points and turn in points. Its gonna be a disaster at first but you can't driver properly if you are looking at the line in front of the car

2) Learn race craft, imagine its a $20M car that you can crash 100 times. To finish first, first you must finish. Lots of people want to treat every lap like a qualifying lap, but race pace is far more important. Just ask Leclerc....zing.

3) On tha note work on racing and doing long stints, don't just keep trying to do fastest laps.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 3:06 pm to
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In iracing its not even an option
Yep. I read up on iracing thinking once I get a wheel I'm sure they have lower levels I can start out at, but I saw that they do cockpit only, and I was like "nope, not ready for that" lol. Maybe the wheel will help, but the goal for F1 2021/2022 is to eventually be good enough to play on the cockpit view
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All the pro e-sports drivers in f1 2021 use that pod view, which just seems bullshite because its sim racing as in simulated, i think the leagues should force them
Yea, that is odd for eSports, I'd agree they should be on cockpit view. That's interesting.
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1) learn the tracks, its the hardest thing to do, but track knowledge is how you go fast. That means turning off the racing line and memorizing your braking points and turn in points. Its gonna be a disaster at first but you can't driver properly if you are looking at the line in front of the car

That's a good point, I'm still using the racing line obviously. I certainly notice the 1st half of a race I struggle, then I do so much better in the 2nd half, just getting used to the turns.
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2) Learn race craft, imagine its a $20M car that you can crash 100 times. To finish first, first you must finish. Lots of people want to treat every lap like a qualifying lap, but race pace is far more important. Just ask Leclerc....zing.

Definitely getting better at this but the impatience still gets me. I think if a guy is in front of me, at some point I have to pass him. But I know in real life, you may just stay behind that car for 20, 30 or more laps and just not be fast enough to get by them. I've gotten better but still have frick ups and run myself off the track getting too antsy trying to pass a guy.
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3) On tha note work on racing and doing long stints, don't just keep trying to do fastest laps.

Right now, I don't even mess w/online much, just doing the solo career mode so I can cycle through each track. I do it on 50% length, so my races take about 45 minutes.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 3:20 pm to
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Fanatec CSL DD
Fanatec Clubsport v3 pedals
Fanatec Clubsport Formula v2.5

I raced online for years back when rF1-based sims and rF2 were dominant. I assume rF2 is still popular with hardcore racing leagues? I loved the tire model in rF2, but I actually prefered the simplicity of the rF1 sims I used (GSCE/Automobilista). Anyway, one piece of hardware that I always wanted to try but never did was a load-cell brake. I finally realized from racing with someone who was very similar to me, that I wore tires out faster than others from overbraking with my crappy setup. I probably should have been smarter with the settings, reducing maximum brake pressure. But the added realism of a load-cell brake would have been sweet. I've never tried a direct drive wheel either, but I think I would want to upgrade the brake first.
Posted by TouchedTheAxeIn82
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 3:41 pm to
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Maybe the wheel will help, but the goal for F1 2021/2022 is to eventually be good enough to play on the cockpit view

F1 is the worst because the cockpit is so low, and the view is so bad. And now it's even worse with that damn halo strut in front of you. I saw on YouTube that some sim made the strut see-through, which I think is the way to go, because in real life I believe our binocular vision makes it easy to see around the strut, but you don't get that in a sim. Anyway, I raced for years with the camera above the cockpit, but once I forced myself to drive in cockpit view and got used to it, it was fine. I recommend switching to cockpit view sooner than later.

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That's a good point, I'm still using the racing line obviously. I certainly notice the 1st half of a race I struggle, then I do so much better in the 2nd half, just getting used to the turns.

Definitely turn off the racing line! Your eyes are looking in the wrong place. Learn the lines by following the AI around. When you turn into a corner you should be looking for the apex and then the exit before you get there.

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Right now, I don't even mess w/online much, just doing the solo career mode so I can cycle through each track. I do it on 50% length, so my races take about 45 minutes.

Sim racing teaches you so much about racing. Setup, strategy, tire wear, pit stops, being in the zone. It gets even better and more nerve-wracking when you race against real people. It's more fun when you can find people at your level to race with in a league setting. You will learn how incredibly stressful it is to lead a race with someone breathing down your neck. Your appreciation for what the real drivers do will skyrocket.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 3:48 pm to
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Sim racing teaches you so much about racing. Setup, strategy, tire wear, pit stops, being in the zone.
Definitely

I got into F1 legit 2 or 3 weeks ago after randomly catching the last half of Monaco. Granted, I've read a shite ton of articles, but just playing F1 2021 at 50% length helped me learn the most of just the very basic understandings of the season and the races/strategy, etc. Again, basic understanding.
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It gets even better and more nerve-wracking when you race against real people. It's more fun when you can find people at your level to race with in a league setting. You will learn how incredibly stressful it is to lead a race with someone breathing down your neck. Your appreciation for what the real drivers do will skyrocket.
Definitely sounds like it would take the fun factor up a few notches. My plan is to get the wheel in the next week or so, practice and hopefully see a marked improvement from where I am today, then see if there are leagues out there that may work for me.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 4:08 pm to
I feel like Ferrari strategy experts are in charge of my flight to Montreal.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 4:20 pm to
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I probably should have been smarter with the settings, reducing maximum brake pressure. But the added realism of a load-cell brake would have been sweet. I've never tried a direct drive wheel either, but I think I would want to upgrade the brake first.



The load cell helps so much, i stared with a load cell because I'm incapable of buying beginner gear when i do anything

The DD wheel is just so much fun, you can feel every little bump on iracing, its crazy how realistic the feedback is, its not so much even about the torque but since the wheel is the only actual feedback you get so it helps replicate that seat of the pants feedback you get in a real racecar.
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