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Posted on 4/24/22 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 7:59 pm to
I’m still astounded by the steep drop off. A front row car dropping to the 6th or 7th in a matter of one season.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:01 pm to
What is the consensus on where Merc is? After this weekend I would say 4th best car, but still holding judgement on what Mclaren shows up so it could be 3rd.
This post was edited on 4/24/22 at 8:03 pm
Posted by XenScott
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:04 pm to
McLaren seems to have the brakes figured out. I hi I the car is basically good but they got behind the curve in Bahrain.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:05 pm to
4th best sounds about right. Ric crashed else he’d be a top 10 finish also so you have to conclude Mclaren are better at this point
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:11 pm to
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A changing conditions race always makes for some interesting finishing positions and outside RBR this one ran true. Other than Checo's mistake late RBR just never had the type of pressure on them that causes the wet mistakes.




Parc ferme rules should be dropped on sprint race weekends. One practice puts too much emphasis on simulator work and a team is shafted if they are off coming off the trailer. Add weather like this weekend and it's a complete crapshoot.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:13 pm to
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Parc ferme rules should be dropped on sprint race weekends.


I agree with that. Think it was Ferrari that said they delayed upgrades because it was a sprint weekend. I would think others did the same.

Not that I needed another reason to hate sprints, but I got it.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:16 pm to
Not only delaying upgrades but the only practice was in the wet. Kinda hard to test your setup for a dry race like that.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:28 pm to
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Do you think he was pushing too hard on Lap 1?

I mean, you have 60+ more laps to go and it is pretty certain you will pass Danny at some point later.


In fairness, we left right after the race and I haven't had a chance to rewatch anything so I may be wrong but I don't think so.

It is true that drivers that get washed on the start often get hyper-aggressive the remainder of the first lap because it is the best chance to regain positions but at the time of the incident Carlos was doing what he should have been doing. He was on the dry line, completely in control and Danny just had a little too much speed into the damp line and his front washed wide and he needed about a half-meter more room to collect the car.

As often happens the innocent party in touches like that got the worst end of the deal.

Carlos just needs a "normal" weekend with straightforward qualy without red flags or changing conditions and the same in the race. Once he gets a top 4 or two in his belt he will right the ship. He also has to come to grips that he is almost certainly going to be the #2 this year.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:34 pm to
Toto Wolff: Mercedes car not worthy of Hamilton

But good enough for George Russel
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:37 pm to
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:39 pm to
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He also has to come to grips that he is almost certainly going to be the #2 this year.


After Saudi you could see his dread. Maybe he is pushing so hard to stay in the discussion for Driver 1.

Ferrari has no problem telling Carlos his place.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:40 pm to
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Toto Wolff: Mercedes car not worthy of Hamilton

But good enough for George Russel


100% chance he is saying that to help Hamilton’s mental state
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 8:44 pm to
I think Toto said that because the car is a shitbox right now. Even finishing in 4th place 45 seconds out of 1st would not be anything to be happy about.

No doubt you shouldn't lay blame, or let your drivers begin to doubt themselves.
This post was edited on 4/24/22 at 9:05 pm
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 9:04 pm to
Probably so. Mercedes have produced top of the line cars for him all these years. Maybe not unreasonable to expect he’ll supplement with greater effort the one year they don’t. Like his teammate is doing. I’m not a LH hater like many on here but his performance today was glaringly pedestrian and to me lacked effort
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 9:43 pm to
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I mean, you have 60+ more laps to go and it is pretty certain you will pass Danny at some point later.


He was ahead of Ricciardo at the time of the accident. It’s 100% on Ricciardo.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 9:44 pm to
My mistake
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:11 pm to
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Considering I used to work for Corvid and helped develop a lot of the CFD for their automotive department, I’d say I’m a fairly reliable source.

Sorry, I went back and read my post and I didn't mean it to come across as condescending or doubting your credentials. I blame it on being tired late in the night. All I wanted to say was that your background was as good as anybody elses' in this thread when it comes to weighing in on this subject.
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There’s not an amount of money I’d go back into automotive CFD for though. It’s so unbelievably boring.

What are the industries that use CFD on a regular basis in addition to automotive racing? I can see naval and military applications for it. But who else uses it?
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:45 pm to
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He also has to come to grips that he is almost certainly going to be the #2 this year.
The way things are going, this quote could very well be said about Hamilton later this year.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:57 pm to
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What are the industries that use CFD on a regular basis in addition to automotive racing? I can see naval and military applications for it. But who else uses it?


Not trying to step on CFDoc's toes but a lot more than one would generally think. Anywhere heat, gasses, or liquids need to flow in an orderly fashion, or at least it is useful to understand how they flow. Beyond that, you have high rheology materials that act like liquids in certain conditions.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:04 pm to
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Sorry, I went back and read my post and I didn't mean it to come across as condescending or doubting your credentials.


No worries. I probably came across harsher in my response than I intended.

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What industries use CFD on a regular basis?


CFD has really exploded in the past decade. For a while, aerospace, automotive, and hydro applications ruled the CFD landscape. These days though, it’s everywhere.

Medical field are using it like crazy for modeling blood flow in tons of applications. Medical devices applications are using it to model bacterial level and viral level phenomena such as mixing, separation, biochemical interactions, etc.

Energy sectors are using it to model all sorts of transport phenomena for combustion, wind energy applications, etc. etc. The list is endless here.

But I’d say one of the coolest applications going on now is the marriage of Artificial Intelligence/Machine Learning with CFD.

Basically, CFD is solving some huge complex differential equation that looks like du/dt = f(u,.,.,.)

Where f(u,.,.,.) is some crazy stupid discretized equation that has literally billions, trillions, if not larger degrees of freedom. And it takes freaking forever for computers to crunch it.

Well, what we’re doing now is asking, can AI/ML actually learn calculus? And if so, could we replace that stupid high dimensional f(u,.,.) with a much lower dimensional function that AI/ML has figured out for us?

Doing so would pretty much be a holy grail.

Anyways, there’s a ton if CFD these days.
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