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re: 2022 Formula 1 Season Thread
Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:06 pm to HubbaBubba
Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:06 pm to HubbaBubba
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The way things are going, this quote could very well be said about Hamilton later this year.
Very true. He didn't handle it well when he had to give it up in 2016.
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:39 pm to fightin tigers
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He didn't handle it well when he had to give it up in 2016.
Wait a minute now. Hamilton had to swap his entire group of mechanics with Rosberg's at the start of the 2016 season after winning the championship in 2014 and 2015 with that group. I understand Lewis wasn't happy about that, as any driver would.
Also, if not for his engine failure while leading the Malaysian Grand Prix with only 15 laps to go, Hamilton would have easily won the WDC that year too and he'd have had 8 championships already. Rosberg was easily Hamilton's toughest teammate (both on track and with the mind games - Monaco 2016 anybody?) and he almost beat him to the WDC 3 times in 3 years. What do you mean Lewis didn't handle it well in 2016?
This post was edited on 4/24/22 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 4/24/22 at 11:42 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Michael Masi broke Hamilton. He’s done. It’s over. Plot twist- they should have kept Bottas instead of Ham
Posted on 4/25/22 at 1:42 am to Street Hawk
Merc protected Nico a lot that season. Nico was the "favorite" driver, as Merc doesn't really spell out a 1v2 like other teams. All the way down to the team orders in Abu Dhabi for Lewis to speed up so Nico didn't have to race anyone, including Lewis.
Not sure Hamilton would have left Merc if Nico stayed, but the team was broken because of how it went down. Hamilton didn't trust the team. It wasn't just "head down and keep working" type mentality. Allegedly there was even a confrontation at their condo/housing complex.
Not sure Hamilton would have left Merc if Nico stayed, but the team was broken because of how it went down. Hamilton didn't trust the team. It wasn't just "head down and keep working" type mentality. Allegedly there was even a confrontation at their condo/housing complex.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 2:02 am
Posted on 4/25/22 at 10:37 am to BuckyCheese
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:11 pm to udtiger
I find this amazing.
Look at the 4 cars that took softs.
Look at the 4 cars that took softs.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:48 pm to BuckyCheese
Yuki led the pack on mediums. He's going to eventually break through with a win. Seems to be maturing as a driver.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:52 pm to HubbaBubba
Mick had a shite race but managed to throw down a lap right with Perez on the softs.
He really needs to start putting it together in the races. Looked good in the sprint making up places on the yellows while everyone else was on reds but did nothing other than that hot lap in the race after getting dumped to the rear.
He really needs to start putting it together in the races. Looked good in the sprint making up places on the yellows while everyone else was on reds but did nothing other than that hot lap in the race after getting dumped to the rear.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:55 pm to BuckyCheese
He certainly has the pedigree. I don't understand what's in his head and why he's not driving better than he is. He's one lucky SOB, though, to even be out there.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 1:12 pm to HubbaBubba
Haas running two rookies last year made it hard to assess the speed of the drivers, and the speed of the car. It's just not a good idea. Mick being better than Mazepin wasn't necessarily telling us much.
I did expect Mick's development to remain on par with Yuki, but it looks like that's not the case. I do wonder if Yuki is simply getting better mentoring and support. The Red Bull family has a lot more resources at their disposal than Haas.
I think if Michael had been around the last few years to mentor Mick, he'd be closer to a Max than the guy we see now.
I did expect Mick's development to remain on par with Yuki, but it looks like that's not the case. I do wonder if Yuki is simply getting better mentoring and support. The Red Bull family has a lot more resources at their disposal than Haas.
I think if Michael had been around the last few years to mentor Mick, he'd be closer to a Max than the guy we see now.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:15 pm to HubbaBubba
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He certainly has the pedigree. I don't understand what's in his head and why he's not driving better than he is. He's one lucky SOB, though, to even be out there.
The spawn of great drivers doing as well as their fathers is actually pretty rare.
Saying that, if Michael had been able to be there and work with Mick all along it likely would have been a benefit.
I haven't read anything on Max's upbringing, but knowing how Jos is I'd guess he was made into a great driver as much as natural talent. Driving is something that can be learned with enough focus and repetition. Obviously some will be slightly better than others, but the spread isn't terribly big on the stopwatch.
Look at all the nepotism in Nascar as an example. Most of the second/third gen drivers are passable drivers. Having that last little bit is the difference between passable and great.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:16 pm to TouchedTheAxeIn82
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I did expect Mick's development to remain on par with Yuki, but it looks like that's not the case. I do wonder if Yuki is simply getting better mentoring and support. The Red Bull family has a lot more resources at their disposal than Haas.
Mick is part of the Ferrari Driver Academy. I don't know how that works with Haas involvement, but it is reported that Ferrari pays his salary. I'm guessing he has pretty decent support.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:23 pm to BuckyCheese
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Mick is part of the Ferrari Driver Academy. I don't know how that works with Haas involvement, but it is reported that Ferrari pays his salary. I'm guessing he has pretty decent support.
I'm an F1 newb, and I had been wondering about this. Seems like a team like Haas would want a more veteran driver in that seat versus going through the growing pains with a rookie that's just going to leave once they improve. But I kinda get it if that's the case.
Is this a common setup? Was Russell at Williams similar?
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:31 pm to Obtuse1
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In fairness, we left right after the race and I haven't had a chance to rewatch anything so I may be wrong but I don't think so.
It is true that drivers that get washed on the start often get hyper-aggressive the remainder of the first lap because it is the best chance to regain positions but at the time of the incident Carlos was doing what he should have been doing. He was on the dry line, completely in control and Danny just had a little too much speed into the damp line and his front washed wide and he needed about a half-meter more room to collect the car.
As often happens the innocent party in touches like that got the worst end of the deal.
Carlos just needs a "normal" weekend with straightforward qualy without red flags or changing conditions and the same in the race. Once he gets a top 4 or two in his belt he will right the ship. He also has to come to grips that he is almost certainly going to be the #2 this year.
I cursed him. Everything has went to crap for him since I started rooting for him.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:36 pm to Cliff Booth
Toto used to own a stake in Williams. I think he may have sold that with the Dorilton Capital sale but not positive. Either way, they were connected due to his partial ownership of the Mercedes team and Russell was a Mercedes driver getting experience at Williams.
A lot of the mid field teams are connected one way or another to the big three. Alpha Tauri is essentially RB's B team as Haas kind of is to Ferrari. And, a number of drivers are connected to the big three due to their driver development programs. As an example Albon still has Red Bull sponsorship displayed on his helment while driving for Williams. Along with Gasly being at AT after being demoted from the seat at RB.
Details are hard to find concerning Schu/Ferrari/Haas but it is understood Ferrari pays his salary while he is getting experience and proving himself in the Haas F1 car. I've seen many claims that Ferrari also discounts/gives parts to Haas as part of the deal but I do not believe this to be accurate as the FIA budget regs prevent this. They actually have set prices for parts to prevent this.
Piastri is an Alpine driver that is currently sitting on the sidelines as Alpine doesn't have a junior team to put him on.
A lot of the mid field teams are connected one way or another to the big three. Alpha Tauri is essentially RB's B team as Haas kind of is to Ferrari. And, a number of drivers are connected to the big three due to their driver development programs. As an example Albon still has Red Bull sponsorship displayed on his helment while driving for Williams. Along with Gasly being at AT after being demoted from the seat at RB.
Details are hard to find concerning Schu/Ferrari/Haas but it is understood Ferrari pays his salary while he is getting experience and proving himself in the Haas F1 car. I've seen many claims that Ferrari also discounts/gives parts to Haas as part of the deal but I do not believe this to be accurate as the FIA budget regs prevent this. They actually have set prices for parts to prevent this.
Piastri is an Alpine driver that is currently sitting on the sidelines as Alpine doesn't have a junior team to put him on.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:52 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I keep thinking about this. Choose the #2 designation for styling purposes and suddenly become the #2 driver results-wise. Karma?
Saw someone say the Merc engineers are confused and have put all the old parts on the car with the yellow t-cam.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 4:58 pm to BuckyCheese
Latifi faster than Hamilton???
BTW htf did Albon in that shitbox Williams keep gasley and Hamilton behind him for 30 laps with no DRS?
BTW htf did Albon in that shitbox Williams keep gasley and Hamilton behind him for 30 laps with no DRS?
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:04 pm to UncleFestersLegs
Albon holding them off like that is baffling as I don't see how he could possibly recover enough energy over a lap to have enough to hold off the DRS over and over again like he did.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:10 pm to BuckyCheese
It was really surreal to watch. Almost as surreal as latifi not finding a wall to smash into with 5 laps to go
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:51 pm to Cliff Booth
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Is this a common setup? Was Russell at Williams similar?
It is fairly common now for customer teams to have a driver that is "on loan" from another team... Essentially the main team "purchases" a ride from another team to get their driver in a car... whether that's through parts, backroom deals, or outright paying their salary...
Now the new cost cap seems like it would throw a wrench into some of those plans, but im sure teams can find workarounds and clever ways to mitigate that issue
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