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re: 2021 Baseball HOF | No Elections (Schilling 71.1% was closest)
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:30 pm to barry
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:30 pm to barry
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Maybe they shouldn't have tucked it in the far corner of the NE that no one goes to visit unless you are explicitly going to the hall.
You haven’t been I take it. Cooperstown has much more than the HOF. Beautiful village at the end of a beautiful lake. The NY State Historical Society’s Farmers’ Museum is great. There’s an art museum too. Four breweries in the area including the famous Ommegang Brewery.
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:36 pm to Honest Tune
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Fred McGriff should be in the HOF.
My favorite player... but he knew he needed 7 more. First person to win HR titles in both leagues
I honestly don't see him in until the veterans committee does their thing, unfortunately. 
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:34 am to MoarKilometers
Didn't see his name much in the thread, but the case for Wagner is pretty compelling when you look at the numbers. Not sure how you keep this guy out.
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• Who is the only pitcher since 1900 (with 900 innings or more) to hold the greatest hitters who ever lived to a batting average below the Mendoza Line (.187)! Yep, Billy Wagner. Next up on that Lowest Opponent Average leader board, if you’re curious, are two nobodies name Nolan Ryan (.204) and Sandy Koufax (.205). Yeah, yeah, those two did it as starters. But just so you know, Mariano and Trevor Hoffman are 24 points back (both at .211).
• Who is the only pitcher in the live-ball era to end his career with a WHIP under 1.00. You’ve got it — Billy Wagner. Granted, it’s only microscopically below 1.00 (at 0.998). But if we can say that no other pitcher in the last 100 years (with 900+ IP) has finished his career with fewer baserunners than he pitched innings, that sounds like a fairly historic figure to me.
• Want to guess who can tell his friends he has the lowest career ERA of any left-handed pitcher in the live-ball era? Uh-huh, it’s that Billy Wagner guy again — at 2.31. The next-closest left-handed reliever with 900+ innings pitched (Ron Perranoski) is almost half a run behind him, at 2.79.
• Finally, what pitcher with 900+ innings has the highest strikeout rate in the history of baseball? I bet you’re catching on by now, right? It’s Billy Wagner one more time (11.92 per nine innings). That may change someday in this swing-and-whiff universe we live in. But not any time soon.
So seriously, unless you’re a voter who thinks relief pitching isn’t a consequential enough job to honor, how can we justify keeping this man out of Cooperstown?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:37 am to Snoop Dawg
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You haven’t been I take it. Cooperstown has much more than the HOF. Beautiful village at the end of a beautiful lake. The NY State Historical Society’s Farmers’ Museum is great. There’s an art museum too. Four breweries in the area including the famous Ommegang Brewery.
No one is going to travel outside of the NE to Cooperstown without the HOF being their primary target
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:41 am to Drew Brews
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Didn't see his name much in the thread, but the case for Wagner is pretty compelling when you look at the numbers. Not sure how you keep this guy out.
I think of Closers like kickers, you can't compare how much they contribute to the overall game (like WAR), you have to view them strictly vs. their peers
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:46 am to barry
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Update: Bumping this for the voting results tomorrow. Looks like this will be a blank year, which is INSANE considering the list of players on the ballot. Next year will be a mess adding Arod, Ortiz, Hunter and Tex
Curt Schilling got 70% last year. Did those queens really change their votes to keep him out.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:48 am to barry
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No one is going to travel outside of the NE to Cooperstown without the HOF being their primary target
Couldn’t that also be said about Canton Ohio?
Where the frick are you going other than there?
Cleveland? LOL
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:57 am to barry
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I think of Closers like kickers, you can't compare how much they contribute to the overall game (like WAR), you have to view them strictly vs. their peers
Not sure I'd agree with that, but either way, I'd say those numbers show that he does compare favorably to his peers. Even his counting stats are there if you're into that. 1 of 6 with 400 saves. The seal has been broken on closers getting in and he's one of the best by pretty much any measure.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:18 am to MoarKilometers
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My favorite player... but he knew he needed 7 more. First person to win HR titles in both leagues I honestly don't see him in until the veterans committee does their thing, unfortunately.
I loved McGriff and the fact that most agree he was clean during the roid era. I did a quick comparison of his stats to Vlad Guerrero, not because I think they’re similar players but rather I was just looking at their stats for fun. Vlad bested McGriff on average, but McGriff got him on homeruns. With hits, rbi and runs scored they’re very close.
Both are HOF in my opinion.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:20 am to barry
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No one is going to travel outside of the NE to Cooperstown without the HOF being their primary target
Obviously you have never been. The whole area up there from the Catskills through the Finger Lakes region is tourism country. Without the HOF it still would be tourism country.
If you look up the history of Cooperstown, the Hall of Fame, the museums, the Otesaga, etc., you would know Cooperstown would be a tourist destination without the HOF. The Clark family of Singer Sewing Machine fortune owns most of the village and pours $$$ into it.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:21 am to Drew Brews
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Didn't see his name much in the thread, but the case for Wagner is pretty compelling when you look at the numbers. Not sure how you keep this guy out.
Billy The Kid should absolutely be in.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:23 am to Snoop Dawg
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Obviously you have never been. The whole area up there from the Catskills through the Finger Lakes region is tourism country. Without the HOF it still would be tourism country.
If you look up the history of Cooperstown, the Hall of Fame, the museums, the Otesaga, etc., you would know Cooperstown would be a tourist destination without the HOF. The Clark family of Singer Sewing Machine fortune owns most of the village and pours $$$ into it.
I went up there this summer and didn’t even go to the hall
Lake George, Saratoga Race Track
Really nice places
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:41 am to Snoop Dawg
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The whole area up there from the Catskills through the Finger Lakes region is tourism country.
Tourism for that part of the country. Almost no one is vacationing there outside of the NE
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:42 am to The Boat
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The Boat
Go back to the Poli board
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:47 am to barry
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Tourism for that part of the country. Almost no one is vacationing there outside of the NE
couldn’t that be said about most hall of fames?
Who’s vacationing in/around Canton?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:52 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Who’s vacationing in/around Canton?
Whatabout....
I didn't say anything about the NFL HOF. Doesn't change the fact for the baseball HOF. I'm not knocking the area, I know the whole setup is nice. I'll make the pilgrimage one day. It's objectively out of the way for the vast majority of the country.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:54 am to barry
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didn't say anything about the NFL HOF. Doesn't change the fact for the baseball HOF. I'm not knocking the area, I know the whole setup is nice. I'll make the pilgrimage one day. It's objectively out of the way for the vast majority of the country.
I’m just saying I think they all are
Maybe that’s the “thing” with these hall of fames
They aren’t putting them in large metro areas
They’re putting them in little towns
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:58 am to I Bleed Garnet
After i've spent some time in Northern Michigan and Boston recently in the summer. I want to never vacation in the south in the summer again. It's a week of pleasant weather during hell on earth that in Houston in the summer.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 10:58 am to barry
Left wing holier than thou sports writers should DIAF
Posted on 1/26/21 at 11:03 am to barry
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Go back to the Poli board
Tell that to the BBWAA
I'm not the one changing my vote because someones off field actions hurt my pussy
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