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re: 2021 Baseball HOF | No Elections (Schilling 71.1% was closest)
Posted on 11/17/20 at 7:38 am to sms151t
Posted on 11/17/20 at 7:38 am to sms151t
quote:
Trout
Kershaw
Pujols
Miguel Cabrera
Verlander
Grienke
Hernandez
Scherzer
Then you get into arguments for guys like
Chapman
Bregman
Lester
Cruz
No love for the catchers?
Buster Posey & Yadier Molina.
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 7:43 am to barry
No Crimedawg, no care.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 7:55 am to SirWinston
quote:
frick all the left wing sportswriters who ruin the respective HOFs
Ur wrong here dawg
Majority of young liberal writers want them in. They have even started new boards and shite to discuss players. It's the old crotchety Writers, who some are more in the middle who refuse to budge.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:00 am to TigerintheNO
quote:
No love for the catchers?
Buster Posey & Yadier Molina.
Joe Mauer will be on the ballot in a few years... three time batting champs as a C, MVP, 6-time All-Star, career .306 hitter.
I guess my gut reaction is he doesn't get in. Not enough power, zero post-season wins, and ended up switching to first base for a large chunk of his career.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 8:39 am to TigerintheNO
quote:
No love for the catchers?
Buster Posey & Yadier Molina.
Those two would be the worst catchers inducted in the HOF in the last 70+ years
Each has something working for them though
Posey obviously was a key cog in 3 WS and his peak of being league MVP is good and he's only 32, but I can't imagine he'll add much to his legacy unless he can stay at the catcher position, which is a liability at this point.
Molina, besides being a dickhead, is arguably one of the greatest defensive catchers of all time, even though that pains me to say this. The problem is that is still doesn't overcome his terrible hitting numbers(relative to the HOF)
Joe Mauer is a lock.
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:30 pm to barry
quote:
Joe Mauer is a lock.
Mauer .306 143 HRs, MVP
Posey .302 140 HRs, MVP
Posted on 11/17/20 at 10:34 pm to barry
Complete joke the % that Andruw Jones gets.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 7:07 am to barry
quote:
Joe Mauer is a lock.
I don't see it.
I think Yadi is the biggest lock amongst the three, and I hate that neck-tatted fricker, so that pains me to say.
Unlike Mauer and Posey, he's been able to stick at C for his whole career and has been one of the best defensive players at the position ever.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:52 am to TigerintheNO
quote:
Mauer .306 143 HRs, MVP
Posey .302 140 HRs, MVP
Like I said, posey just has to keep racking up stats. Mauer did it over 8000 PA, Posey is at 5000. Which is why Posey has 41 WAR, Mauer has 55.
OPS+ for first 5000 PA's of career
Joe Mauer 135
Buster 128
Buster is decling faster than Mauer did
Posted on 11/18/20 at 12:00 pm to LSUBoo
quote:
think Yadi is the biggest lock amongst the three, and I hate that neck-tatted fricker, so that pains me to say.
no way, right now he'd be the second-worst offensive catcher in the Hall behind Rick Ferrell who was a veterans committee pick and is routinely cited as one of the worst hall of fame picks ever.
C isn't like SS where there is a ton of light hitting players, some of the greatest catchers of all time defensively also mashed.
ProjectPat needs to come in here and give his biased take
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:16 pm to barry
I forgot to list Catchers in my locks the only locks there are Yadi and Posey. 3 years ago I would have said Perez was going to be in HoF but the UCL injury derailed that and he just wont get there.
Mauer should get there, he was MVP, AS MVP, SS winner. But his last 6 years he did not Catch and split between 1st and DH.
Big Papi is on the ballot next year? He will be interesting...He was a 1b who transitioned into DH only. Has a PED admission, some off field junk going around in retirement. If they vote him in but continue to blackball Clemens and Bonds, it makes this whole Hall thing a farce in my opinion.
Mauer should get there, he was MVP, AS MVP, SS winner. But his last 6 years he did not Catch and split between 1st and DH.
Big Papi is on the ballot next year? He will be interesting...He was a 1b who transitioned into DH only. Has a PED admission, some off field junk going around in retirement. If they vote him in but continue to blackball Clemens and Bonds, it makes this whole Hall thing a farce in my opinion.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:40 pm to barry
Schilling
Zito
Buerhle
Hudson
Hunter
Manny
Jones
Sheffield
I'm more of a "Hall of Very Good" guy though.
Zito
Buerhle
Hudson
Hunter
Manny
Jones
Sheffield
I'm more of a "Hall of Very Good" guy though.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:01 pm to barry
Someone tell me how Andruw Jones isn't a hall of famer
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:14 pm to sms151t
quote:
If they vote him in but continue to blackball Clemens and Bonds, it makes this whole Hall thing a farce in my opinion.
Them voting in Biggio and Bagwell already did this.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:17 pm to Hailstate15
quote:
Someone tell me how Andruw Jones isn't a hall of famer
The braves haven't even retired his number yet. It's embarrassing how little respect there is for a guy who is arguably the best defensive outfielder ever, and was an above average hitter throughout his career
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:25 pm to Hailstate15
quote:
Someone tell me how Andruw Jones isn't a hall of famer
I think he is but he suffers from his sharp decline
He's far and away the greatest defensive CF of all time and he was obviously no slouch on offense. I think he will get in, it will just take time.
you have to remember, the ballot has been absolutely stacked since he's been eligible. So hopefully he starts to make his way to more ballots now that its cleared out some.
This post was edited on 11/19/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:39 pm to barry
quote:
Clemens
Schilling
Bonds
Rolen
Manny
Jones
I'm w/you on all of these except Rolen. Nope.
And I might be biased as a Braves fan, but Andruw should of been in the Hall 4-5 years ago. Dude is the GOAT defensive outfielder. Period! Effortless. 10 straight GG's. Very good offensive player on top of it. Should of won the MVP in '05 when he smashed 51 HR's and led a team of rookies to the playoffs but lost to Pujols. frick the Cardinals.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:40 pm to sms151t
quote:
Trout
Kershaw
Pujols
Miguel Cabrera
Verlander
Grienke
Hernandez
Scherzer
Left out Freddie Freeman.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:41 pm to m57
quote:
Vizquel should be in. Best defensive infielder in the history of the game.
I'm okay w/this.
Posted on 11/18/20 at 8:43 pm to auzach91
quote:
Complete joke the % that Andruw Jones gets.
PREACH!
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