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Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:39 am to BlackCoffeeKid
speaking of blowing up
Miguel Angel Lopez dropped from a podium position tomorrow (3rd overall) to 6th overall
Miguel Angel Lopez dropped from a podium position tomorrow (3rd overall) to 6th overall
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:39 am to TigerAlumni2010
I have been saying Pog would take 20-30 seconds on him but I never thought he would demolish Rog. The kid is unreal.
The TT vs climbing bike has been proven to be more or less a draw. Of the 60 or so riders I could confirm in the climb it was almost a 50/50 split with 31 on TT bikes and 29 of road bikes. The top 6 times were split 3 and 3. Bobke was mystified anyone road a TT bike.
As expected Lopez got destroyed by Porte.
Some tech junkie notes:
All the Bianchi TT bikes outside Rog's were Celeste, the black paint on Rog's meant it was about 300 grams lighter than the Celeste bikes, this is why all the road bikes were black this year instead of Celeste. Tom Dom hauled that extra 300g up riding the TT to the top and beat Rog on his black bikes.
Pinot's TT bike had a fit problem. He spent the entire time on his TT bike pushing himself back on the saddle, every 4-10 pedal strokes. He never has been a nose ride on a TT bike and I wonder if the mech put a normal amount of tilt on his saddle when I bet he rides at or near flat. It must have been driving him crazy in his hometown race.
Anderson lost his water bottle right out of the start house. This is an example of how those trick "cages" (more like mounts) for aero bottles can bite you in the arse, the same as super light bottle cages when a cage 10 grams heavier will actually hold a bottle.
Finally, I want to say that overall Pog destroyed Rog in this TdF. He got caught out in that split and clawed his way back with minimal team support where Rog had the equal of Sky/Postal riding for him. This kid is going to be special, especially if he winds up on a upper tier Grand Tour team.
PS if anyone has the name of his doctor slide into my DMs I could use another 3 watts per kilo.
The TT vs climbing bike has been proven to be more or less a draw. Of the 60 or so riders I could confirm in the climb it was almost a 50/50 split with 31 on TT bikes and 29 of road bikes. The top 6 times were split 3 and 3. Bobke was mystified anyone road a TT bike.
As expected Lopez got destroyed by Porte.
Some tech junkie notes:
All the Bianchi TT bikes outside Rog's were Celeste, the black paint on Rog's meant it was about 300 grams lighter than the Celeste bikes, this is why all the road bikes were black this year instead of Celeste. Tom Dom hauled that extra 300g up riding the TT to the top and beat Rog on his black bikes.
Pinot's TT bike had a fit problem. He spent the entire time on his TT bike pushing himself back on the saddle, every 4-10 pedal strokes. He never has been a nose ride on a TT bike and I wonder if the mech put a normal amount of tilt on his saddle when I bet he rides at or near flat. It must have been driving him crazy in his hometown race.
Anderson lost his water bottle right out of the start house. This is an example of how those trick "cages" (more like mounts) for aero bottles can bite you in the arse, the same as super light bottle cages when a cage 10 grams heavier will actually hold a bottle.
Finally, I want to say that overall Pog destroyed Rog in this TdF. He got caught out in that split and clawed his way back with minimal team support where Rog had the equal of Sky/Postal riding for him. This kid is going to be special, especially if he winds up on a upper tier Grand Tour team.
PS if anyone has the name of his doctor slide into my DMs I could use another 3 watts per kilo.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:50 am to usc6158
quote:
That may be one of the greatest TTs ever ridden. Up there with Lemond.
Lemond was second fiddle to Indurain, he was on another level compared to anyone else at the TdF TTs. Lemond's big TT just happened to be in Paris and produced such a close overall win.
Honestly, I think this one handily eclipses Lemond's win over Fignon, Lemond "only" needed 50 seconds and got 58. Pog's was a bashing and is Indurain quality.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 11:53 am to Drank
quote:
We will have a new Tour Champion this year and it sure as hell looks like it's Primoz Roglic
this aged well
just dragging your chain Drank
we ever get an explanation as to why Bernal up and quit? start prep for either the Giro or Vuelta since his TdF repeat dreams were over?
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:00 pm to rt3
quote:
why was Sagan docked 43 points earlier in the race??
I thought it was only 20 points?
Edit: according to letour.fr Sagan has only been penalized 13 points.
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:06 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:
Just seen you baw
They even got you in the same frame as Wout van Aert.
Do you have a rough time? I missed it but if I can find it I will get a screen cap.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:08 pm to rt3
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This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:09 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Lemond was second fiddle to Indurain, he was on another level compared to anyone else at the TdF TTs. Lemond's big TT just happened to be in Paris and produced such a close overall win.
Honestly, I think this one handily eclipses Lemond's win over Fignon, Lemond "only" needed 50 seconds and got 58. Pog's was a bashing and is Indurain quality.
I think you have to take the type of time trial into account
Lemond's 1989 ride into Paris was about 7 miles shorter than today's stage and I believe was all flat, compared to today's mountainous stage (Plauche de Belles Filles)
Lemond's winning stage time in Paris in 1989: 26:57
Pog's winning stage time today: 55:55
2 completely different types of time trials so it would be real hard to compare
that said... making up 58 seconds in 15 flat miles is much more difficult than making up 58 seconds in 22 mountainous miles
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:10 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:
I thought it was only 20 points?
Edit: according to letour.fr Sagan has only been penalized 13 points.
I may have mis-heard what they said... could've sworn they said 43
was too busy enjoying a wonderful omelet
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:10 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Do you have a rough time? I missed it but if I can find it I will get a screen cap.
With Wout van Aert around 10:28-1029am.
Or when Pog is at the 2km mark.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:35 pm to rt3
quote:
making up 58 seconds in 15 flat miles is much more difficult than making up 58 seconds in 22 mountainous miles
Well, Lemond was using an aero bar which was unheard of at the tour back then and Fignon was on his normal road bike position. So while Lemond's ride was great, technology really helped him.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:39 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
This our baw?
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:45 pm to Obtuse1
Gotta be.
I miss the days of crazy American dudes running up and down the road. We need another American GC contender. Powless or Kuss, come on down.
I miss the days of crazy American dudes running up and down the road. We need another American GC contender. Powless or Kuss, come on down.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:47 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
Well, Lemond was using an aero bar which was unheard of at the tour back then and Fignon was on his normal road bike position. So while Lemond's ride was great, technology really helped him.
catch up with the times Fignon... pretty sure everyone knew in advance that Lemond was going to use the aero bars
also... Fignon complained of saddle sores from the day before
ETA: and it wasn't just the bars... but also the aero helmet... while Fignon allowed his ponytail to fly free to the wind
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/19/20 at 12:51 pm to Ingeniero
quote:
Gotta be.
I miss the days of crazy American dudes running up and down the road. We need another American GC contender. Powless or Kuss, come on down.
FWIW... looks like Powless is going to finish 3 hours back of the winning time (57th overall)
Sepp Kuss is 15th overall... 42:20 behind Pog
This post was edited on 9/19/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:10 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
Well, Lemond was using an aero bar which was unheard of at the tour back then and Fignon was on his normal road bike position. So while Lemond's ride was great, technology really helped him.
That is not even counting the fact Lemond's bike/position was against the rules. 4 points of contact were not allowed then, only 3 points. Fignon's head was smoother than many but still a bluff body compared to Lemond's aero helmet.
While I don't think today's stage was the greatest ITT in Tour history I think it is a bigger GC ending ITT than the '89 tour. This one was much closer to mano y mano. That said it is just an opinion and I got an a-hole like everyone else.
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:36 pm to Obtuse1
Pog did the climb in 16 mins at 6.9 W/KG and that included the bike change so the actual numbers are even higher.
Highly questionable
Highly questionable
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:41 pm to usc6158
so while all the award winners are pretty much now known... there's only 1 that's officially over before tomorrow's finale (there is 1 cat 4 climb tomorrow... so KoM isn't 'officially' over)
Marc Hirschi has been named the 2020 TdF's most combative rider and will earn the red number
Marc Hirschi has been named the 2020 TdF's most combative rider and will earn the red number
Posted on 9/19/20 at 1:44 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
4 points of contact were not allowed then, only 3 points.
Can you explain this a little further?
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