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re: 2015 NBA Offseason Thread - FA/Trade News and Rumors Here
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:38 am to brgfather129
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:38 am to brgfather129
He's a RFA. Bulls will match anything.
Plus the Lakers can't even offer him a 1 year deal
Plus the Lakers can't even offer him a 1 year deal
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:38 am to RTR America
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@ChrisVernonShow: Grizzlies officials will be in Spain when free agency begins to meet with Gasol, very optimistic will return to Memphis.
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@HerringtonNBA: I'll spoil the Gasol part since there's so much talk on that front already this morning: I think he's back and it happens very quickly.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:56 am to brgfather129
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Link?
Name me a max FA in this era that has turned down a max contract and signed a QO.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:00 am to brgfather129
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:05 am to Fun Bunch
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Name me a max FA in this era that has turned down a max contract and signed a QO.
Greg Monroe
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:13 am to brgfather129
He was offered a full max by Detroit? I thought he was offered a near max?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:16 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah, I just went and looked. He wasn't. He went to go look for one from another team and wasn't offered one.
Reports say he would have declined one from Detroit, but he was never offered one.
So, not the same situation.
Reports say he would have declined one from Detroit, but he was never offered one.
So, not the same situation.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
I think he was offered 5 for 60, that number sticks out to me.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:23 am to Epic Cajun
Which wouldn't be a max.
But all I can find is articles where Monroe was looking for that and going to other teams, but wasn't finding it. And IF Detroit offered him the Max he would decline. But they never did, as far as I can tell.
But all I can find is articles where Monroe was looking for that and going to other teams, but wasn't finding it. And IF Detroit offered him the Max he would decline. But they never did, as far as I can tell.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:34 am to Fun Bunch
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@MarkDeeksNBA: Put it this way. If Jimmy Butler is not a Bull come the season opener, I will eat my own face on NBA TV.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
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Yeah, I just went and looked. He wasn't. He went to go look for one from another team and wasn't offered one.
Reports say he would have declined one from Detroit, but he was never offered one.
So, not the same situation.
I mean...are we going to sit here and quibble as to whether Monroe is a "max" or "near max" player?...and, just to clear it up, Monroe really wasn't offered anything to stay in Detroit at any stage in the process. The point really is, Monroe left a lot of money on the table...at least 60 million (probably more) to be a UFA this offseason.
When you consider it is being widely speculated players are willing to sign short-term deals to cash in next offseason...again, taking a significant risk vs. guaranteed money, to act like Butler couldn't possibly use the only leverage he has to work his way out of Chicago if he wants to that badly is just silly.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:43 am to brgfather129
It isn't silly, because its never happened for a player offered the max under this CBA as far as I am aware.
And it still won't happen.
And it still won't happen.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:47 am to Fun Bunch
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It isn't silly, because its never happened for a player offered the max under this CBA as far as I am aware.
You can keep shifting the goalposts.
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And it still won't happen.
I don't think it is likely at all, so k.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:51 am to brgfather129
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You can keep shifting the goalposts.
Shifting the goal posts?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:53 am to brgfather129
quote:He didn't shift anything. You did.
You can keep shifting the goalposts.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:54 am to PrimeTime Money
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He didn't shift anything. You did.
Not really.
The argument was that the amount of money Jimmy Butler would leave on the table to accept the QO has never been done before. I simply said Greg Monroe left a lot of money on the table to do that very thing and is certainly a "near max player".
What's the issue?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:55 am to PrimeTime Money
I guess he means when I said "This era" and then said "This CBA". I meant under this CBA for this era because that's all that really matters, although I don't recall it happening under the previous CBA.
I know Shaq did it to sign with the Lakers, right? But that was a totally different era of contracts.
I know Shaq did it to sign with the Lakers, right? But that was a totally different era of contracts.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:56 am to brgfather129
I don't think I said anything about the amount of money, simply turning down a max deal, which I GUESS is semantics, but you get my point.
Regardless, I guess we can drop this argument and just agree that its very unlikely.
Regardless, I guess we can drop this argument and just agree that its very unlikely.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:56 am to brgfather129
Because he said very specifically:
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Name me a max FA in this era that has turned down a max contract and signed a QO.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 12:26 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Because he said very specifically:
Cool.
My initial point was if Butler wants out of Chicago badly enough, he can use what little leverage he has and sign the QO. It is rare, but it isn't unprecedented. Greg Monroe did it, Ben Gordon did as well not too long ago.
Do I think Jimmy Butler is going to go down that road...likely not, given I haven't heard anything about him being that miserable in Chicago until today. Maybe I missed it. However, this is a unique offseason where you may have several players signing one-year (or one + PO) deals so they can cash-in next offseason. The financial incentive for a Jimmy Butler to go the QO route is far greater this offseason in years past, it mitigates his risk because there is a much bigger reward on the other end.
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