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re: 14 to 16 team playoff is coming
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:11 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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The amount of money generated by the school could not possibly be more irrelevant.
We can agree that LSU players put in more work than Southeastern or John Melvin players to get where they are though
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:13 pm to chalmetteowl
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We can agree that LSU players put in more work than Southeastern or John Melvin players to get where they are though
well yeah...I don't think anyoen has ever argued that players at big time big boy elite schools do more and work harder than those at small schools. I don't think that's ever been in question?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:28 pm to Buckeye06
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What kind of math is this?
2/3 of 25 is 16+
1/2 of 25 is 12.5
I’m responding to the OP who says a 16 team playoff is coming. When I say “now”, I mean if they’re implementing a 16 team playoff.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:39 pm to WG_Dawg
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why does the amount of revenue generated matter? A fotball player and a womens diver are both student athletes going to school and playing a sport. One can't be called labor if the other isn't.
Ok, call it labor, and call the scholarship compensation.
Do you think the 85 guys on the football team should have all the fruit of their labor taken from them and redistributed to pay for the others to have jobs and make the school rich? Or would it be reasonable to say, hey, you guys bring in like 80-90% of the money, without you we have nothing, how about you guys keep 3-5% of that before we take it all?
This idea that football players shouldn’t be paid more than some irrelevant 5k runner gets when they’re literally creating and maintaining a massive industrial economy that supports the entire university athletic department is laughable. It’s like saying the janitor and the physician should be paid the same because they both work at the hospital
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:41 pm to The Third Leg
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Ah, so you were a student athlete in a non revenue sport, you made nobody any money, and therefore you feel qualified to offer the opinion that revenue generating athletes generating tens of millions of dollars should not get paid because they’re the same as you?
You will find no data suggesting that these other athletes generate more revenue than he did. These programs pack the football stadiums and basketball arenas before any player steps on campus and they continue to do so after. In fact, I assure you that you'll find data suggesting the athletes do have an impact in the smaller sports instead. They will greatly increase revenue and attention by going from middle of the pack to conference / national champ. Meanwhile, Bama is still going to pack 100k+ fans in that stadium, no matter how bad Deboer is compared to Saban.
No one cared about UF track, or knew they had a track team, until they started winning some titles. Same with tennis. No one in the country was paying attention to UF swimming in the 1970s until Tracy Caulkins showed up and was the most dominant swimmer in the country. These athletes made huge differences for their teams and schools. Meanwhile, Neyland was packed before Peyton showed up and was packed throughout many years of mediocrity after he left. UT never built a 100k capacity into Neyland because Rufus Trunbull signed a LOI to play left guard. They did that because the fans were going to show up every year, no matter where Rufus went to school. Nebraska has sold out for decades and they've been hot garbage for quite a few of those years.
When these smaller sports are winning titles, or just doing outreach like hosting little kids at camps or bringing them onto the track to hang out with the athletes, sign autographs, give away shirts, and so forth, that is part of the public service mission of a university and it builds bonds with the local community, which aids the revenue sports as well. Same for when athletes from revenue sports do that and they aid the non-revenue sports. College athletics are entirely dependent on the fan and the affection that fans have for their schools. No bond, no fans and no fans, no sports.
At UF for many years when you could re-enter the stadium, there was a mad dash at halftime across the street. People literally sprinted to this bar with a few bucks in hand, they ran through this line and grabbed some jello shots and ran back to the stadium. They didn't do it because Bobby Joe Sammy Jim was doing great at linebacker. They did it because football games are in large part social events and an entire culture has been built around that experience. If those football players leave, the locker rooms will be filled within about five minutes of announcing tryouts and the stadiums will be as well.
Athletic revenue should be shared throughout the athletic department evenly. What we're going to see is that the schools that embrace this are going to win more championships than the other schools that sink every dollar into the revenue sports, because those dollars will get spread around to a dozen+ other sports, who will go out there and win while only a couple sports suffer with regard to recruiting. The inverse will happen for schools that sink all their money into football and basketball. A multitude of sports will suffer as they sink money into football and basketball and we'll probably see a lot of those programs shut down, which will alienate a good bit of their fans and it won't be good for the nation to shut down opportunities for people to play a sport at the college level.
The idea that the athletes are responsible for the revenue in revenue sports is the biggest fallacy in all of athletics. If it was remotely true, you could transplant Bama to Argentina and Argentinians would flock to those games and not to soccer games, but we all know that wouldn't happen.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 2:44 pm to The Egg
I don't see a problem with it they just need to drop all the meaningless bowl games.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:31 pm to The Egg
I’m starting to care less and less about college football. Which is weird to me. Not long ago I loved it passionately
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:24 am to RLDSC FAN
It’s destroying everything.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:23 am to YouKnowImRight
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Student athletes are not labor. They are students. They are not professionals and should not be paid like professionals. If they want to be paid, they should declare for the draft.
This only works if the people in charge also act like college football is amateur and not a professional endeavor. Every decision, including the existence of the playoff to begin with, is done with the intent of expanding sales of a product (college football) to paying customers (fans, who may have no intrinsic relation to the Univeristy or the players whatsoever).
All it takes is a handful of decisions along the way to act like college football isn’t just NFL-Lite and maybe the NCAA gets ahead of this crap (Coaching salary caps, refusing playoff expansion in the name of allowing students extra study time….etc.).
For example, pre-expansion B1G had a scheduling rule of not having Thanksgiving weekend games, since students (including players) would be at home with their families.
You can make an argument when you’re leaving money on the table that you’re also acting on behalf of the student-athletes as they are not professional, but when you spend the last few decades in a cash collection arms race extracting every dollar you can, that argument just goes away.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:56 am to BRIllini07
What you guys are missing is the entire system needed to be nuked. It has been run into the ground for the past 50 years by the NCAA.
How can any system survive where some schools get to buy players and other schools are targeted by the NCAA. Very little of the past 50 years was legitimate. It was a battle of who had a better bagman system and who had NCAA approval.
You guys are crying about the wrong symptoms. NIL and the portal have brought fairness back to the sport where players like Herschel and Cam are now available to all teams for bidding without teams worrying about NCAA investigations. We all know if Herschel would have taken the bag from Clemson that Dooley would have run to the NCAA and Ford and Clemson would have been crushed by the NCAA.
Instead he signs with Camaro U and changes their school history.
This system of literally no rules is about as fair as you we could ever hope for because the minute they start putting in guardrails against NIL the bagman system will show back up. I look at a school like LSU. How many losses did LSU take the past 50 years because certain other schools simply bought players on the black market. Your entire football history could be so much richer if we had a fair system in place.
How can any system survive where some schools get to buy players and other schools are targeted by the NCAA. Very little of the past 50 years was legitimate. It was a battle of who had a better bagman system and who had NCAA approval.
You guys are crying about the wrong symptoms. NIL and the portal have brought fairness back to the sport where players like Herschel and Cam are now available to all teams for bidding without teams worrying about NCAA investigations. We all know if Herschel would have taken the bag from Clemson that Dooley would have run to the NCAA and Ford and Clemson would have been crushed by the NCAA.
Instead he signs with Camaro U and changes their school history.
This system of literally no rules is about as fair as you we could ever hope for because the minute they start putting in guardrails against NIL the bagman system will show back up. I look at a school like LSU. How many losses did LSU take the past 50 years because certain other schools simply bought players on the black market. Your entire football history could be so much richer if we had a fair system in place.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:06 am to The Egg
just need to go to 16 and be done with it
award teams more for playing ranked out of conference teams and have no auto bids
award teams more for playing ranked out of conference teams and have no auto bids
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:03 am to The Egg
This was expected and anticipated. Just a money grab as everything has become.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 3:55 pm to redfish99
Yeah, because winning games to become a true champion is a horrible idea. Am I the only one who noticed the Natty wasn’t #1 vs. #2. You know why? They lost to better teams because the seedings and polls were wrong.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:36 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Games meant something.
Games meant something until you lost, then they were pointless
Posted on 2/19/25 at 4:44 pm to The Third Leg
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Well, the 8 seed just dong slapped everyone en route to looking like one of the best teams in history, so I’d say there isn’t much to lose by taking the Citrus Bowl participants into the party
They had 2 losses lol. They’re not in the top 50 in history.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:32 pm to Seldom Seen
Get rid of post season bowls and move them to the beginning of the season. Give me Western Kentucky and Buffalo week 0 in the Popeyes Bahamas Bowl.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 4:03 pm to BRIllini07
Here's a proposal- revenue sharing with athletes with one caveat.
All money to go to student athlete along with NIL receipts go to a trust, only payable upon graduation from the paying institution. Bring back student athletes, not mercenaries
All money to go to student athlete along with NIL receipts go to a trust, only payable upon graduation from the paying institution. Bring back student athletes, not mercenaries
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