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Wouldn't a $2400 limit on 401k kill Wall St
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:35 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:35 am
Have to think a a substantial percentage of money invested is in retirement plans. If that money dried up due to new lower limits, wouldn't that have a pretty big negative impact on the stock market?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 8:17 am to LSUgal1988
Kill is too strong of a word but it would reduce the inflow of new capital.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:12 am to LSUgal1988
I wouldn't go so far as to say "kill". As always, it's complicated.
First off, there are large sectors of the financial industry that don't deal with 401(k) plans at all. For example, most hedge funds are by law only available to high net worth individuals who are "accredited investors" who presumably know what they are doing, at least more than Joe Public. So far as I'm aware, until very recently Goldman Sachs had no retail offerings and I don't think they're in 401's either. They deal mostly with other big Wall St. firms.
Second, this proposal (if it even happens) would have no impact on the capital that is already in 401(k)'s.
But it would impact new contributions, and so the influx of money into retail markets would slow down. But that money still exists, ultimately it gets distributed around in other ways, some of which lead right back to the various markets. And it's possible that Congress might decide to offer some sort of completely new way to save for retirement as some sort of compensation.
First off, there are large sectors of the financial industry that don't deal with 401(k) plans at all. For example, most hedge funds are by law only available to high net worth individuals who are "accredited investors" who presumably know what they are doing, at least more than Joe Public. So far as I'm aware, until very recently Goldman Sachs had no retail offerings and I don't think they're in 401's either. They deal mostly with other big Wall St. firms.
Second, this proposal (if it even happens) would have no impact on the capital that is already in 401(k)'s.
But it would impact new contributions, and so the influx of money into retail markets would slow down. But that money still exists, ultimately it gets distributed around in other ways, some of which lead right back to the various markets. And it's possible that Congress might decide to offer some sort of completely new way to save for retirement as some sort of compensation.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:32 pm to foshizzle
Tons of people automatically buy more stock with every pay check.
The market would slow down immensely if this happens.
The market would slow down immensely if this happens.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:52 pm to tenderfoot tigah
the biggest driver of 401k enrollment was the automatic enrollment. if you reduce this lots of people will just take the extra income and keep it.
which will slow down the find and reduce retail stock growth.
it is basically going big short term with little thought to long term consequences of reduced saving across the population.
couple that with lack of millenial investors and you have a generation or three without much of a savings plan.
which will slow down the find and reduce retail stock growth.
it is basically going big short term with little thought to long term consequences of reduced saving across the population.
couple that with lack of millenial investors and you have a generation or three without much of a savings plan.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:51 pm to LSUgal1988
Wall Strret is already planning on a big slowdown overall for the next decade. I don't know how much this would effect it.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:24 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Tons of people automatically buy more stock with every pay check. The market would slow down immensely if this happens.
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Compared to total market volume those purchases are not very large. Total value of the U.S. stock market is about 25 trillion, 401K balances are about 4.1 trillion, and includes some investment in foreign markets. Most employees do not take full advantage of 401k plans, in 2015 the average balance of a 401K plane was $18,000, 40% of plans had a balance of less than $10,000 .
Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:48 pm to athenslife101
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:50 pm to EA6B
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Total value of the U.S. stock market is about 25 trillion, 401K balances are about 4.1 trillion,
Almost 20% of the market. That would be a significant impact
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:10 pm to Weagle25
16% of a 25 trillion dollar market is yuge.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:34 pm to GFunk
That isn’t the annual contribution to 401ks
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:48 pm to Weagle25
Weird comparison. 401ks are way more diverse than just stock.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 8:43 pm to athenslife101
I have never seen a diverse 401k, except for mutual funds.
Tell me more - gold, real estate?
Tell me more - gold, real estate?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:32 pm to matthew25
I think I have 5!different asset type options I can choose from.
Posted on 10/23/17 at 6:42 am to matthew25
I can invest in every fund Schwab offers, which is huge. You can get quite a lot of diversification with funds. For example, you can get bond funds of all different kinds of bonds, equity index funds of just about any country you like, etc.
You like to play around with commodities? There are index funds for that too. Real estate? Yep.
You like to play around with commodities? There are index funds for that too. Real estate? Yep.
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