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Wouldn't a $2400 limit on 401k kill Wall St

Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:35 am
Posted by LSUgal1988
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:35 am
Have to think a a substantial percentage of money invested is in retirement plans. If that money dried up due to new lower limits, wouldn't that have a pretty big negative impact on the stock market?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24737 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 8:17 am to
Kill is too strong of a word but it would reduce the inflow of new capital.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 9:12 am to
I wouldn't go so far as to say "kill". As always, it's complicated.

First off, there are large sectors of the financial industry that don't deal with 401(k) plans at all. For example, most hedge funds are by law only available to high net worth individuals who are "accredited investors" who presumably know what they are doing, at least more than Joe Public. So far as I'm aware, until very recently Goldman Sachs had no retail offerings and I don't think they're in 401's either. They deal mostly with other big Wall St. firms.

Second, this proposal (if it even happens) would have no impact on the capital that is already in 401(k)'s.

But it would impact new contributions, and so the influx of money into retail markets would slow down. But that money still exists, ultimately it gets distributed around in other ways, some of which lead right back to the various markets. And it's possible that Congress might decide to offer some sort of completely new way to save for retirement as some sort of compensation.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:32 pm to
Tons of people automatically buy more stock with every pay check.

The market would slow down immensely if this happens.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 12:52 pm to
the biggest driver of 401k enrollment was the automatic enrollment. if you reduce this lots of people will just take the extra income and keep it.


which will slow down the find and reduce retail stock growth.

it is basically going big short term with little thought to long term consequences of reduced saving across the population.

couple that with lack of millenial investors and you have a generation or three without much of a savings plan.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
19867 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:51 pm to
Wall Strret is already planning on a big slowdown overall for the next decade. I don't know how much this would effect it.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Tons of people automatically buy more stock with every pay check. The market would slow down immensely if this happens.


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Compared to total market volume those purchases are not very large. Total value of the U.S. stock market is about 25 trillion, 401K balances are about 4.1 trillion, and includes some investment in foreign markets. Most employees do not take full advantage of 401k plans, in 2015 the average balance of a 401K plane was $18,000, 40% of plans had a balance of less than $10,000 .
Posted by lnomm34
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 4:48 pm to

This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 8:47 am
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

Total value of the U.S. stock market is about 25 trillion, 401K balances are about 4.1 trillion,

Almost 20% of the market. That would be a significant impact
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14969 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:10 pm to
16% of a 25 trillion dollar market is yuge.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24737 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:34 pm to
That isn’t the annual contribution to 401ks
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
19867 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 7:48 pm to
Weird comparison. 401ks are way more diverse than just stock.
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 8:43 pm to
I have never seen a diverse 401k, except for mutual funds.

Tell me more - gold, real estate?
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
19867 posts
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:32 pm to
I think I have 5!different asset type options I can choose from.

Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/23/17 at 6:42 am to
I can invest in every fund Schwab offers, which is huge. You can get quite a lot of diversification with funds. For example, you can get bond funds of all different kinds of bonds, equity index funds of just about any country you like, etc.

You like to play around with commodities? There are index funds for that too. Real estate? Yep.
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