re: Why would govt sending Doge payment be better than paying off debt?

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A post on a website does not make it validated, once we get the report where the payments went and everything is audited then I will believe it.

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There is massive fraud.


Plus, no one was doing anything about it before.

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The Social Security Administration (SSA) estimates that improper payments cost taxpayers about $13.6 billion in 2022.

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Only what they are telling you about. And I call this fraud since DOGEs original purpose was USDS and they were to bring us forward with IT and save us money and cut down on fraud. They didn’t fix it because they didn’t want to.

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How much does Social Security fraud cost taxpayers?

Social Security fraud costs Americans millions or billions of dollars each year. Fraud includes collecting benefits that a person is not entitled to. Stolen Social Security numbers are used for identity theft and filing false tax returns.

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Some of you are way too naive. People make a living being fraudsters and counterfeiters.

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When CNN and MSNBC begrudgingly have to report that the US government has a budget surplus in a couple of years

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You guys are just setting yourself up for failure. I wish this was true, but its just not possible.

We are 36T in debt, we are not even taking in enough revenue to make up 36T in a few years or even a decade. Maybe this is the step in the right direction. But people making outrageous claims in a few days is purely theater.

The entire US GDP from 2024 is 29 trillion.

Edited here because maybe I made the jump that you meant a surplus on a year to year. That's achievable, but that would need Congress to change.

Obviously any surplus would need to start paying down the debt, but don't think the administration is actually interested in that

Just keep believing your overlords that DOGE is not being honest and transparent.

If you want DOGE to fail, just say it. If the National Debt continues to grow, the US Government will become bankrupt, the economy will fail Venezuela style and society will collapse. You should want DOGE to be successful and save the country instead of just wanting your team to win.

I don’t believe for one second that a billionaire has my best interests at heart.

The government has fraud and waste and it should be taken care of, but I don’t like the way they’re going about it and I don’t trust Elon.

And if you seriously believe Trump and Elon will erase the US debt, you are seriously naive and exactly the person they want on their side.

It’s easier to outsource your opinions to Chuck Schumer and CNN.

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If you want DOGE to fail, just say it. If the National Debt continues to grow, the US Government will become bankrupt, the economy will fail Venezuela style and society will collapse. You should want DOGE to be successful and save the country instead of just wanting your team to win.

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Nobody is playing "teams" here except for you believing everything being said with what they want you to hear right now.

All anyone here is saying is we need to see the receipts from the ACTION taken, which should be obvious in any of these cases. You cant just say "I identified $5B in what I believe is waste". That means nothing until any action is taken. If it's actually looked deeper into and found out only $1B of that $5B is actually waste, then it's only $1B of waste and you kill off that $1B and show the receipts of that.

Same as a contract for say $10M to someone thats obnoxious, if you kill that contract for $10M, but replace it with something else for $5M to do same thing, it's not $10M in savings, that's $5M, but we need to see the receipts. Saying you're saving $10M for killing a contract and not telling us what/if it got replaced by would be disingenuous.

Obviously DOGE is telling people just like you everything they want to hear right now, but there's no substance until the true audits happen and actions taken on these. They can tweet all they want but it means nothing until actions are taken and receipts are shown.

Literally every person in this thread believes there's massive government waste, there has to be with the budget they run and the dumb stuff they do. You also have to understand DOGE is basically just a propaganda machine on twitter until action is ACTUALLY taken and receipts are shown. Nothing is being accomplished in the first few weeks here, its going to takes months and years to shift through all this and validate and take action. That much should be obvious. We arent removing $1T from the budget in a month or two. We arent removing any significant amount in the first couple months here. It all takes time.

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Is it more of a play for brownie points?

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Yes. It is just vote buying for certain groups. We should be paying down the debt. Period.

And yes a "refund" check to Americans is simply political pandering. The first 2 "stimulus" checks Trump ran was during an election year and it wasnt enough to get him re-elected. If $1200/$600 isnt enough, maybe $5k is (for the next R candidate) to stick in people's minds who to vote for. Watch those payments if they ever were to happen just so happen to come in the election year as well whether they ended up being $1k or $5k. It's the easiest vote buying technique out there. It solves nothing for helping the debt.

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You want to lose midterms in a heartbeat? Tell boomers you’re coming for Medicare and social security.

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what a loser mentality. "coming after medicare and social security" means they are trying to clean it up so that those two things can HELP people more, not have tons wasted on waste, fraud, an abuse.