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When does it make sense, mathematically, to accelerate mortgage payments?

Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47401 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 7:45 pm
In my newest house, the 6.5% interest rate (which is still not as bad as some) is annoying in comparison to all my others. I am well aware that speeding up the homes at 4% and less is dumb. Is 6.5% high enough to speed up or should I just continue paying them, take advantage of the interest deduction in April, and keep maxing what I can into stocks?
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12079 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:03 pm to
Nothing dumb about paying off a house. There’s a certain freedom that comes with actually owning a home and not borrowing one.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6970 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:05 pm to
I feel like the whole "which is the most efficient way to spend my money" question is bullshite 95% of the time. How many people do you know that actually invest the money they dont spend on paying off lower interest loans in something that makes more money? I think nearly everyone just spends that money immediately or puts it in a rainy day fund where it makes almost nothing
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8962 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:07 pm to
As oversimplifications go; I’d look at every additional dollar spent paying down the principal balance early as a guaranteed 6.5% return.

The historic average for the S&P 500 is only 7-8%. So 6.5% is not too shabby.

I know opinions vary widely; but, I’m a huge proponent for paying off your home mortgage early. I haven’t had a mortgage in years. The feeling of financial freedom and the security of knowing you’ll always have a home is immeasurable.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1739 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:18 pm to
I have my payoff sum in an account making >2x my interest rate.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 8:19 pm
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6970 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:29 pm to
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I have my payoff sum in an account making >2x my interest rate

congrats. you are in the 5% of people that do
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19586 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:39 pm to
What is the rule, making one extra monthly payment a year cuts 5 years off a 30 mortgage. Do that at a bare minimum.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9785 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:42 pm to
Stocks or paydown? Both seem to work.

When you ask about stocks are you referring to a retirement or plain savings account?
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24135 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 8:55 pm to
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6.5% interest rate


To be clear, there is no “right” answer as this is all just about opportunity cost of the marginal dollar. I am in the mathematical camp…I put no value on the “it feels so much better to own a home outright” as I’ll still be paying $3K a year in home insurance and $11K a year in property taxes (or greater into perpetuity).

With that said, 6.5% as risk free return is quite good relative to historical market returns (which is not risk adjusted). Now, 6.5% doesn’t look as good when the savings rate is 5% in money market funds but I don’t think you would regret paying down the mortgage in your situation as long as you have ample access to cash in case it is needed.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9785 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:00 pm to
Long term mortgages have fixed payments, but the dollar value declines. In my mind the payment goes down over time since you're paying with deflated dollars.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6970 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:03 pm to
quote:

Long term mortgages have fixed payments, but the dollar value declines. In my mind the payment goes down over time since you're paying with deflated dollars.

I feel so dumb that I never thought of this
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1739 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:09 pm to
What was your point exactly? That people are bad with money? Some heavy hitting stuff there. Bad decisions are bad decisions regardless of the percentage of people you think make them.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162209 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:22 pm to
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When does it make sense, mathematically, to accelerate mortgage payments?

Probably never but there are worse things to do with your money
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6970 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:41 pm to
quote:

What was your point exactly? That people are bad with money? Some heavy hitting stuff there. Bad decisions are bad decisions regardless of the percentage of people you think make them.

My point is that while there is a smarter way to manage your finances, we ignore a psychological aspect of it. You may even be a victim of poor money management relative to someone that is better at it.

We are not robots, by and large, and respond better to things that make us feel better (pay off loan early) than things that dont (keep the mortgage but invest the extra 5% in something that pays a little back).

Im not paying off my mortgage early and investing that money in something with a higher return. Im just saying that we shouldn't shite on people that choose something different.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:51 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72553 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:29 pm to
BUT THAT WATCH BRO! THE ROLEX!

Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:38 pm to
quote:

Long term mortgages have fixed payments, but the dollar value declines. In my mind the payment goes down over time since you're paying with deflated dollars.


That's absolutely correct.

I would qualify that agreement by saying at the very start of an amortization schedule your early payments avoid a huge percentage of the interest over the duration of the loan. Which is to argue there's an argument for making a bit of extra effort at the start (first year or three) of the schedule and then just revert to paying just your regular monthly amounts.

The idea of buying only a home that you could afford to finance as a fifteen year fixed is also desirable IMO.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11654 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:56 am to
I think if your interest rate on mortgage is greater than your return on your investments.
I have the cash to do so but I’d prefer to have the cash. I’m over 59 do I could use my retirement accounts but they are doing better return than my 3.90% mortgage
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11654 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:58 am to
Great points
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12079 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:05 am to
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I’m over 59


I’m always amazed at older people that still have a mortgage. How is that possible?
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25945 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:09 am to
don't judge people man, not everyone is on the same timeline
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