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re: When Did “Difficult” Become “Impossible”?

Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:19 pm to
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the standard of living has been dropping ever since humans switched to agriculture.


Turn of century to 1900s, the U.S. economy was 50% agriculture. Turn of century to 2000s, the U.S. economy was less than 10% agriculture.

I meant that our lives were better when we were hunter gatherers


The romans actually kept statistics on it. When they conquered gaul the gallic tribes were mostly hunter gatherer and the average height was close to 6 foot. After 100 years of agriculture and roman rule the average height had dropped closer to the usual roman height of 5'7
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/19/26 at 10:22 pm to
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I could make a very long list of challenges we are going to face within the next 30 years that did not exist 30 years ago. I won't because some of those challenges may be perceived as political, and I hate politicization of the money board topics.

c'mon man you gotta do it now
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:29 am to
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I asked what challenges exist that make saving unwise. I’m genuinely trying to understand.
I'm only speaking for myself & not Bottomland. I doubt he meant unwise in the literal fact that a dollar today will be worth less than a dollar tomorrow, but more in the fact that a dollar invested today very well will provide less of a marginal financial benefit later in life for the current generation of young investors than it would have for the 40+ crowd.

I say this as a 34 year old that invests way more than is normal and will likely retire early, so I'm not living the philosophy as I'm a high earner and do not have expensive tastes.
Posted by Midtiger farm
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:36 am to
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Nowadays, young people have tons of resources to manage their money. My parents lived in a generation where the company pension was there for their retirement. They didn't have to think about it.

If you don't have the discipline to forgo the nice car, new boat, or frequent dinners at restaurants in exchange for a secure retirement, it will be tough.

I think this topic is going to dominate our politics in about 10 years, as more and more people reach retirement with now money because they spent their entire adult life managing a lifestyle they couldn't really afford.


Why is society and our economic system geared to having the most money, resources on the downhill slope of our lives from 55-75 instead of prime 25-50?

Our govt system is built around rewarding passive economic activity instead of the ones actually building and running the economy.
Posted by RoyalWe
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 7:42 am to
It’s difficult to accumulate without “building and running”. Is your take a form of envy or you’re really proposing a Logan’s Run and Soylent Green society?

Also, in theory the government doesn’t define our rights or economics. I recognize that collectivists like to believe that everything revolves around the government, but I’m free to take the position that the government can suck my balls. I don’t know if I’m getting my point across, but you’re pining for all sorts of injustices to occur if I’m reading you correctly.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 7:45 am
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:32 am to
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fact that a dollar invested today very well will provide less of a marginal financial benefit later in life for the current generation of young investors than it would have for the 40+ crowd.


This statement holds true for all in past / present / future where inflation is >0%.

Why every generation past / present / future are wise to invest early and often.

For the today crowd, $1 invested today creates about 4.3X more real purchasing power, and the marginal real financial benefit is $3.32 of inflation-adjusted wealth (@ 8% return, 3% inflation, 30 yrs).

It’s better to be on the cash generating assets team than the consumerism team (Richest Man in Babylon s/b required reading for MB).
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 9:45 am
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:41 am to
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Unfortunately, millionaire status just isn't that valuable for future generations. Once you discount that to present value (say for a kid in 20s now), it's simply not enough for a life expectancy of 25+ years of retirement.


True but it’s better than being broke living on a fixed social security income and taking part time jobs at wal mart to be able to pay rent and bills at 70 years old
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:57 am to
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This statement holds true for all in past / present / future where inflation is >0%.

Obviously. I'm talking more to ROI < inflation or lower ROI / inflation scenarios relative to the last 50 years.
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:00 am to
Like your 401k opt out shift point!

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Unfortunately, millionaire status just isn't that valuable for future generations. Once you discount that to present value (say for a kid in 20s now), it's simply not enough for a life expectancy of 25+ years of retirement.


This word is poison.

What others think about you is a weak position (inherent dependence). Have found starting from a weak position usually ends with weaker results.

Rather, when you are in control of your actions for your desired outcomes (inherent independence), where what others think is irrelevant to your outcomes, stronger results ensue.

From practical point of view that I think is your point, financial dependence on SS is weaker than some independence that your cash generating assets can produce for you, above and beyond SS.

Mindset limitations are far worse than inflation.

If start early and often, and give your future self more (not less) options, you will be in stronger position. Don’t let anyone dictate your limitations.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 12:22 pm
Posted by TigahsOnTop
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:14 am to
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I meant that our lives were better when we were hunter gatherers


I never understand this logic. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from moving out to the boondocks and living a hunter gatherer lifestyle. Go join that north sentinelese tribe that is slinging arrows and running around naked.

The beauty of innovation is it gives you optionality.

I can go play golf and slam transfusions if I want. I can go hunt if I want. I can go on a boat and fish if I want.

Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:18 am to
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I never understand this logic. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from moving out to the boondocks and living a hunter gatherer lifestyle.

Except for the irs and the game warden and the fact that all of the rivers are poisoned
Posted by Jax-Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:34 am to
Having a million dollars is just part of the equation. Do you own your house, or is that included in the million? What about your cars? Are you on Medicare, or do you have to cover your health care for an extended period. What about social security? How much are you going to pull in there?

If you have a paid off house and cars, Medicare eligible, and your social security is $6k/month, then you can live on a million bucks comfortably, as long as you don't live too extravagantly.

The things I would worry about when retiring early are, health care costs (Obamacare?), bridging the gap to social security, and having enough money for unexpected emergencies.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:00 am to
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Also, in theory the government doesn’t define our rights or economics.


lol, key words "in theory" but we live in reality

Posted by Midtiger farm
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:04 am to
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sorts of injustices to occur if I’m reading you correctly.


What injustices am I pining for?

Why do we pay healthcare cost for a 65 year old but not a 5 year old or a woman to have a baby? That kind of injustice? Why are we running the country broke and forcing 45 year olds to pay more taxes to pay for a 70 year olds monthly check?

Why should fiscal policy revolve around some 75 year olds 401k?
Posted by lsuconnman
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:29 am to
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Why do we pay healthcare cost for a 65 year old but not a 5 year old or a woman to have a baby? That kind of injustice?


You may need to sit this one out. Medicaid pays healthcare for all uninsured children, even those that are not officially citizens. Medicaid also pays for more than half the childbirths in this state, and probably most others. …the injustice of it all.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:59 am to
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all uninsured children,


not talking about these people

I'm talking about medical cost/insurance for kids of hard working parents which are astronomical running the family nearly broke and contributing to keeping fertility rates at record low level unsustainable levels

While those same hard working parents are paying for Robert's back surgery that was caused by playing too much golf

yea you can sit this one out
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:05 pm to
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Why do we pay healthcare cost for a 65 year old but not a 5 year old or a woman to have a baby?

I would rather pay for the 65 year old because the only people having kids for the most part are the undesirables of society

There’s a very simple way to save the healthcare system but it would upset women

You think the boomers control everything? Wait til you hear how a big chunk of the male population supports immigration because women get sad when they see a picture of a Mexican kid with dirt on his face
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 12:07 pm
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:16 pm to
This thread is all over the place and has become a troll fest. I'll just say that as a dreaded "millennial" there has never been an easier time to gain wealth. I can do everything I need from my phone. Better yet, I can put everything on "auto" and just like that my net worth goes up over time.
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:21 pm to
I’ve posted this before but it’s amazing what just changing a very small contribution can do.

I’m 24 years with the same company and for the first 12 years I was putting in 3% into a savings account in my 401k

In 12 years I had grown it $25,000 with 3% contribution. One day I was listening to a co worker saying his balance was up 20% on the year. I opened mine and said I was under 1% and he took a look at my 401k and said I was a dumbass, so I had him change my stuff to match his. I also doubled my contribution to 6% to get the full company match.

Fast forward a year or two later and I started investing in other avenues outside my 401k and will end up with more in my brokerage than my 401k, wfie’s 401k, and IRA’s combined.

One of my biggest regrets was not doing 6% and being in the market from day 1. I missed out on a lot of gains but making up for it now. The good news is I’m 44 and within 5 years I’ll see where I’m at and see how long I want to work from there.



Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 12:22 pm to
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the only people having kids for the most part are the undesirables of society


and you don't think that was caused by the way that 65 year old has been voting all his life and his belief system?
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