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re: What’s the best, safe long term retirement investment

Posted on 5/12/23 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 4:59 pm to
It’s not possible.

The wealth is stored on the blockchain with the code to access in my mind.

The government knows it’s impossible.

They may make it illegal at some point and then it will just be a waiting game to get to a place where it’s not illegal.

Much like the gold situation 100 years ago in USA
Posted by gpburdell
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 5:15 pm to
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Nothing that will reliably (over decades) keep up with inflation will be no risk (ie safe)


That's what treasury TIPS bonds do is to keep up with inflation over decades and the closest thing to risk free you can get. TIPS are sold at 5/10/30 year durations.

Now you're not beating inflation either, so your spending power isn't increasing. TIPS won't make you rich, but they can keep your rich. If you hold TIPS to maturity, you are guaranteed at least your principal plus the inflation adjustment over the years.

A common strategy for retirement is to build a TIPS ladder to guarantee real (not nominal) income until you start social security.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 6:31 pm to
Assuming you’re retiring in 10 years, I’d lock up 2-3 years of expenses in a bond or CD ladder. Put the remainder in the stock market 60/40 or 70/30 domestic/international. Broad index funds like VOO, Small cap value (15%), and large cap value on the domestic side and total market on the international side.

Set it and forget it for about 7 or 8 years. But still make contributions .Then draw down enough equities the last 2 or 3 years and buy bonds so that you have a 5 year ladder when the 10 year period is up.

Posted by down time
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Posted on 5/12/23 at 7:59 pm to
You're going to trigger a suspicious activity report if you walk into a bank and hand them a million in cash at once. they could even put a hold on the account.

Posted by RoyalWe
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Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:01 am to
So when I read that the government found devices with bitcoin or that they have recovered bitcoin it's because they also recovered an encryption key?
Posted by I Love Bama
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:23 am to
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So when I read that the government found devices with bitcoin or that they have recovered bitcoin it's because they also recovered an encryption key?


That is correct. Someone gave them the password to access. Bitcoin is a decentralized network, meaning the USA government has no more authority over it than you or I.

If I get on a plane with $100,000 cash to go from USA to Colombia, I'm getting my money taken from me.

If I try to travel with $100,000 in gold, they are taking it from me.

If I get on a plane with $100,000 in Bitcoin, not only is it impossible for them to know, they can't stop it.


Posted by Suntiger
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 7:53 am to
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Let’s say 1 million in cash falls into you hands,

what would be the safest, least risk way to invest it so that it grows but isn’t exposed to ups and downs of equity markets. Would it be Monet markets, CD’s or what?


Not saying this is an answer to your question, but assuming no debt to pay off, I would probably split it up and go $200K in CDs, $200K in T-bills, $125K in bonds, $125K in TIPS, $125K in money market accounts and $225K in an S&P type ETF. It may not be that exact ratio, and if interest rates changed, I’d probably reshuffle, but something like this.
This post was edited on 5/13/23 at 1:42 pm
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 11:54 am to
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If I get on a plane with $100,000 in Bitcoin, not only is it impossible for them to know, they can't stop it.


So how do you cash in this bitcoin if they outlaw it. Do you not need access to a computer? Internet? I've been trying to think of every scenario they might could make it disappear.
Posted by Glovebox
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Posted on 5/13/23 at 4:01 pm to
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Posted by MusclesofBrussels
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 4:45 am to
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Posted by I Love Bama
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 5:33 am to
Let’s agree on who “they” is first of all.

If Bitcoin is a threat to USD, do you think other countries are going to try and work with USA to ban it?

Theoretically, if they shut down all electricity and all internet at the same time in the world, you could pause Bitcoin, but the recorded ledger is still there and it just starts back up when reconnected.

If you are being authentic in your questioning and learning, I am happy to buy you a copy of the Bitcoin Standard which is what opened my eyes many years ago.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/14/23 at 7:24 am to
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A common strategy for retirement is to build a TIPS ladder to guarantee real (not nominal) income until you start social security.


This. The best time to do it was last fall, when the Yield to Maturity on them was getting close to 2% before inflation adjustments.
Posted by cadillacattack
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:06 pm to
Posted by j1897
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 10:04 pm to
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Posted by TigerToGeaux
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:34 pm to
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That's what treasury TIPS bonds do is to keep up with inflation over decades and the closest thing to risk free you can get.


True, TIPS or I-Bonds would be a good safe buy and keep up with inflation. My mistake. What I should have said was nothing risk free will surpass inflation over a long period of time.
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 5:33 am to
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With 10 year CD’s bumping 4%, I’d probably lean towards those and money markets.


Why? Inflation is currently above that and the Fed raised the core target from 2% to 3%. Should it stay there, you’d barely be keeping up with inflation.

Every investment option contains risk. In this case, purchasing power risk, which is the most commonly overlooked. People think “but my money will be safe”. Yes, safely losing value and the ability to buy things.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 5/27/23 at 7:46 pm to
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What’s the best, safe long term retirement investment


An Annuity.

This post will get down voted but it's true.
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