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re: What is the expectation for saving for kids college nowadays?

Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:33 pm to
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saved very little toward my childrens college (couldn’t save for it and retirement at the same time). I had 20k saved total when my oldest started this year. My youngest starts in two years.

I’m in Georgia, he’s at a state school, it’s easy to qualify for and retain the Hope scholarship. This covers almost all tuition, but not fees. That’s about 7 grand a year. My child got no other scholarships or aid.

That leaves the following per year costs we’ve paid out:

Fees ~2500
Housing ~7500 (on campus required first year)
Meal Plan ~4000 (on campus required )
Books ~700
Misc ~1000

Grand total: 15700.

Of that we (wife and I paid 10K). Son paid the rest thru a combo of work and fed student loans (unsubsidized).

So we had year one and two covered and have been saving 1000 per month (have more ability for this now) and will keep doing so for 4 years. Essentially cash flowing 4 years for each of them. They will each be responsible for about 20k of their own college costs (or more if they lose the HOPE).

So long story short, it costs about 22k a year for state u in Georgia.


We are in a similar situation.
I've been telling my kids they aren't getting any help with college.
My wife wanted them to save up and buy their first car, too.

The compromise is that we are paying the first year room and board (to offset the initial car/insurance cost they paid in high school).

My oldest applied to be an RA for his second year (covers the majority of room and board) and he's making good money waiting tables.

My second oldest (junior in HS) will probably go to University of North Georgia for a nursing degree. She has the option to stay at home and commute and save about $13k per year if she likes. If she does that, we'd probably just gift to a down-payment on her house or put it towards a medical degree if she continues on to becoming an anesthesiologist.

The point being is that they are responsible for all of college (unless they buy their first car while in high school) where we will help them get settled in for the freshman year.

18 is old enough to be grown up and responsible for one's self. It is the best way to learn the value of earning a dollar and it is the best way to learn the value of saving a dollar.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14570 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 5:57 pm to
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Not going to an ivy league school does nothing to restrict anyone's potential. That superficial crony club is nothing but a farce these days.


Yeah, those Wharton degrees are worthless.
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11082 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:19 pm to
no plans to give my kids any $ for college. The best thing I can do is secure my retirement to guarantee I dont become a financial burden for them as me and my wife get old.

Also, if they want to go to college they need to be wise about what major they want, how much the school costs that they choose and have full responsibility for all debt that occurs from that process. I have seen way too many kids who didn't take education seriously when it wasn't on their dime.

Also, I'm probably going to push for them to go to a trade school at this point and just avoid college completely. Unless there is a bubble burst with colleges, it just doesn't make much sense. Lots of well paying careers out there for anyone who can show up on time and just be halfway intelligent.
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That’s where I’m at. If my kids do good I’ll pay as they go. I wouldn’t want my son to waste his money on the biology degree I got in 97
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14570 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 6:28 pm to
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So by the quick math if I save $4800 a year and LA state income tax is 4.5%, I'm only saving $216 a year in taxes for that? Better than nothing I suppose.


Nothing is what you would get in Texas, but they don’t have income tax. MS allows deduction up to $20k, so they save $1,000 if maxed out. Neither has TOPS, though.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 2/1/23 at 8:21 pm to
I funded $5K to kickstart and then $150 every two weeks. Should be enough to get started. We’ll do the Roth IRA roll for the max amount when 15 years has passed.
Posted by Stateguy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
940 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:32 am to
Concerning louisiana 529 rules
Has anyone been in the plan for several years and seen deduction amounts increase? Oldest is 5 and max deduction is $4800 that entire time. Do they increase limit every so often?

I'm considering increasing contribution to $6k. Can carry forward deduction (I believe) should they ever change limit
Posted by jsk020
Nola
Member since Jan 2013
1762 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:34 am to
I’m confused on why I didn’t get the 2% earnings enhancement this year on the 529. Any ideas?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:41 am to
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I funded $5K to kickstart and then $150 every two weeks. Should be enough to get started. We’ll do the Roth IRA roll for the max amount when 15 years has passed.


Who knows what the rules will be in 15 years. Also, it requires earned income, and can only be rolled over up to the yearly maximums, so it’s more of a contribution than a rollover.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 6:44 am to
To answer OP, I’m just saving in a non-qualified account in my name. If I have to eat capital gains tax, big whoop. I’d 100% rather the flexibility of having it in my name than the relatively minor tax breaks that you’ll accrue in 529s.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26265 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:26 am to
Each of my kids get $100 in their 529 per month started at birth. I will sometimes put a little extra in at the end of the year. There are a long time away from college so not sure how the college landscape is going to be in 12 years. I have seen lots of people start going to a cheaper school for the first year or two and then transfer into a much better school and that seems like a decent idea if you can’t get scholarships initially.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
8249 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:54 am to
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Currently the plan is that the first year we contribute $250 a month per child and every year increase by $25-50 a month.


That’s pretty much our plan. Have a 3 year old and a 7 month old. However, if things ever get tight this is the first thing that gets cut. They can borrow for school but we can’t borrow for retirement
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:33 am to
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To answer OP, I’m just saving in a non-qualified account in my name. If I have to eat capital gains tax, big whoop. I’d 100% rather the flexibility of having it in my name than the relatively minor tax breaks that you’ll accrue in 529s.


This is what I’m doing. I’ll take the relatively minor tax hit in exchange for the flexibility. I have a 529 that I funded for a year but I've stopped contributions.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:46 am to
We saved in 529s monthly for kids since their birth. Target was to cover 80% of projected total costs of 4yrs at a State university. The balance was on them (scholarships, AP classes, etc) and any wish for them to pursue dream school of elite, high cost university was also on them. Did not want to over fund (no Roth transfer was in place).

Results:
Oldest will graduate in 3yrs and have zero student debt and start career 1 year early. Balance left behind in 529 will transfer to youngest kid.

Could not be happier / more proud. The plan worked.

Like just jinxed kid 2 by typing this. Will see. Kidding.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 10:48 am
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 10:59 am to
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I’m confused on why I didn’t get the 2% earnings enhancement this year on the 529. Any ideas?


Did your income increase, price you out of the enhancement? Good problem to have but….
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

quote:
To answer OP, I’m just saving in a non-qualified account in my name. If I have to eat capital gains tax, big whoop. I’d 100% rather the flexibility of having it in my name than the relatively minor tax breaks that you’ll accrue in 529s.


This is what I’m doing. I’ll take the relatively minor tax hit in exchange for the flexibility. I have a 529 that I funded for a year but I've stopped contributions.



I know that these are state specific.
For my oldest's freshman year, I threw about $6k into the Georgia 529. As soon as the 529 would permit me (about 10-14 days), I withdrew it and paid the room and board.

I did that twice for Fall and Winter semesters.

I'm not seasoning the money. No real gain on investments. I'm just looking for the state income tax writeoff as needed.

I guess I'm learning as I go and can report back how it worked in Georgia.
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
3256 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:07 pm to
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ETA: assuming you’re asking about 529’s, if the money doesn’t get spent on school it’s so much trouble and the tax hit is big enough that the sensible thing is to leave it in there for the grandkids

I’m not kidding and I’m not gonna explain how I know

please explain how you know lol. Our oldest just graduated and had almost $14k left.. The youngest has plenty in his and is getting a full ride so we don't want to roll it over. I figure that only the gains portion can be taxed? What am I looking at? a couple grand? I was going to keep a couple grand for taxes and probably invest the rest for him for the future. I am in a pretty high tax bracket so a couple K on my taxes isn't too big of a deal.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4037 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:58 pm to
Unless it’s a STEM field my kids won’t be encouraged into college.

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