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What is the drawback to buying nothing but dividend stock?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 1:49 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 1:49 am
I get they can cut the dividend, but what are other drawbacks?
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 1:49 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 6:44 am to LatinTiger30
Posted on 8/27/22 at 7:18 am to LatinTiger30
I guess the drawback is that you are excluding most growth stocks since those usually don’t pay a dividend.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 7:31 am to LatinTiger30
quote:As you state, it's taxable income if in a non-retirement account.
I get they can cut the dividend, but what are other drawbacks?
The most common concept I see investors get confused about, though, is thinking dividend paying stocks have a better return than stocks that don't pay dividends. They see the income and get duped.
Ultimately you want the stock with the highest expected long term return. Do you want a stock that returns 9% with no dividends or a stock that returns 7% with a 2% annual dividend payout? If you choose the dividend payer, you've got to reinvest the dividends to equal the return of the one that didn't pay anything. (You are also paying tax earlier on a dividend paying stock than the other one...)
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:15 am to Niner
Hey Niner. Any Growth Div stocks you would recommend? I'm 99% sure i already own it. I have like 30 Div stocks
Have them setup to where get paid Divs every month:
For example:
Jan: FDX, STLD,WPC,JPM,AMT
Feb: ABBV,GD,WMT,DE
MAR:CI,JNJ,DUK,LMT
I have a Div Portfolio and a growth portfolio. DIV portfolio has been a lot more stable this year than the Growth. Most of my div stocks are in my Roth compared to my normal brokerage account which holds most of my Growth and non paying div stocks. Just wanted to get a pros opinion and see if there's a Div stock i may need to add.
Have them setup to where get paid Divs every month:
For example:
Jan: FDX, STLD,WPC,JPM,AMT
Feb: ABBV,GD,WMT,DE
MAR:CI,JNJ,DUK,LMT
I have a Div Portfolio and a growth portfolio. DIV portfolio has been a lot more stable this year than the Growth. Most of my div stocks are in my Roth compared to my normal brokerage account which holds most of my Growth and non paying div stocks. Just wanted to get a pros opinion and see if there's a Div stock i may need to add.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 8:22 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:42 am to FLObserver
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:43 am to LatinTiger30
Dividends offer more consistency. Growth offers more... growth. Equity growth is better long term to build wealth. Focusing on dividends can have its place if you've already built the necessary wealth and are now simply treating the corpus as an income producer. It's easier to budget around expected dividends than it is expected growth, and limiting yourself to the former makes it less likely that you take massive bites out of the corpus in down years.
As always, it's simply a matter of being self aware enough to understand what your priorities are.
As always, it's simply a matter of being self aware enough to understand what your priorities are.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 8:50 am to FLObserver
quote:
Hey Niner. Any Growth Div stocks you would recommend? I'm 99% sure i already own it. I have like 30 Div stocks
Not Niner, but oil and gas tends to give you solid dividends. Look into OKE if you haven't already.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:08 am to Bestbank Tiger
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oil and gas tends to give you solid dividends. Look into OKE if you haven't already.
For Oil and gas exposure i own: CVX, XLE,DVN and Hesm.
DVN just had a nice Div increase.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:14 am to LatinTiger30
Tax drag is the big one for me.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:26 am to FLObserver
quote:
Any Growth Div stocks you would recommend?
Microsoft?
Posted on 8/27/22 at 9:52 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
Also, dividends constrain my drawdown strategies now that I am in early retirement (45). If I had concentrated my taxable investments in dividend stocks I would be more limited in my tax optimization strategies. As it sits I have pension income and a small amount of dividends from index funds. This will allow room to keep income below the zero long term capital gains rate and drawdown stocks from taxable with no tax on gains. I will live off of pension + original basis of stocks from taxable + capital gain (taxed at zero). If I had too much dividend income, I'd be paying tax on the capital gains too. At this point, the dividends only complicate my tax/drawdown strategy.
While qualified dividends and LTCG are taxed the same, with the LTCG from selling shares I can enjoy the basis and LTCG with no taxes.
For example, if I sell $150k of shares that doubled over time, $75k is basis. I only pay tax on the gain (at zero %) but net the full $150. Add the pension and I can be living very well with no tax on investments. If I had $75k in dividend income instead, I would have to sell shares to access the other $75k and get hit with tax on any gains above the zero LTCG threshold.
I havent started the drawdown yet since I had income until retiring very recently and wont have any room in the zero LTCG bracket this year. Next year, I'll see.how it works out in real world. Please, if there's a flaw in my logic point it out.
While qualified dividends and LTCG are taxed the same, with the LTCG from selling shares I can enjoy the basis and LTCG with no taxes.
For example, if I sell $150k of shares that doubled over time, $75k is basis. I only pay tax on the gain (at zero %) but net the full $150. Add the pension and I can be living very well with no tax on investments. If I had $75k in dividend income instead, I would have to sell shares to access the other $75k and get hit with tax on any gains above the zero LTCG threshold.
I havent started the drawdown yet since I had income until retiring very recently and wont have any room in the zero LTCG bracket this year. Next year, I'll see.how it works out in real world. Please, if there's a flaw in my logic point it out.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:04 am to LatinTiger30
I like the dividend growth strategy. Essentially you’re looking for companies that have a dividend and are going to keep increasing the dividend for the foreseeable future. Then you can look back on the stock and the yield on your cost becomes a lot higher than anything you’re able to buy now.
LINK
This website has a good spreadsheet listing them as either champions, contenders, challengers. Criteria for each is just consecutive years with a dividend increase.
Basically same idea as dividend aristocrats but you can find some stocks that started paying dividends more recently that have a long runway and will likely be an aristocrat in the future.
I think when people switch to a dividend strategy they focus too much on current yield instead of the basics of business, potential growth, and payout ratio. 5% vs 2% doesn’t matter much when they cut the dividend a year later.
LINK
This website has a good spreadsheet listing them as either champions, contenders, challengers. Criteria for each is just consecutive years with a dividend increase.
Basically same idea as dividend aristocrats but you can find some stocks that started paying dividends more recently that have a long runway and will likely be an aristocrat in the future.
I think when people switch to a dividend strategy they focus too much on current yield instead of the basics of business, potential growth, and payout ratio. 5% vs 2% doesn’t matter much when they cut the dividend a year later.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:23 am to FLObserver
I own a lot of dividend stocks too. Probably 25 or so with a few growth and speculative plays mixed in.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:26 am to TorchtheFlyingTiger
I think the only extra benefit your getting with that strategy vs a similar dividend strategy is coming from reducing your investment.
Both scenarios (assuming it’s your only taxable income) you pay no tax. They only receive $80k in cash vs your 150k in cash but the only difference is that extra 70k is still sitting in their investment account.
It’s just personal preference and depends on what your cash needs are vs mine. $80k plus pension income would be enough for me in retirement and I’d just rather not chip away at my investment account.
But I also think people let tax drive their decisions too much. Goal is to maximize wealth not to minimize tax.
Both scenarios (assuming it’s your only taxable income) you pay no tax. They only receive $80k in cash vs your 150k in cash but the only difference is that extra 70k is still sitting in their investment account.
It’s just personal preference and depends on what your cash needs are vs mine. $80k plus pension income would be enough for me in retirement and I’d just rather not chip away at my investment account.
But I also think people let tax drive their decisions too much. Goal is to maximize wealth not to minimize tax.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:47 am to LatinTiger30
I did nothing but high dividend stocks for years. probably missed out on some bigger gains but I had a really steady stream that I reinvested
Posted on 8/27/22 at 10:54 am to jamiegla1
quote:
I did nothing but high dividend stocks for years. probably missed out on some bigger gains but I had a really steady stream that I reinvested
Totally Jealous. I've only been investing for like 4 years but the idea of getting some great Div Payors for 40 or 50 bucks @ share makes me wish i had money like 10 years ago.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:31 am to FLObserver
Share price alone should be irrelevant especially with modern ability to buy fractional shares. You need to look at price as it relates to other measures such as earnings (P/E.)
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:39 am to FLObserver
Or they might just be right back at 40 with splits becoming all the rage. Hard to deduce anything from that.
Posted on 8/27/22 at 11:57 am to Weagle25
Drawing dividends are equivalent to "chipping away at my investment account" by selling shares. Capital stays in the company driving growth if no dividend is paid. The investor chooses when to draw rather than being forced to take dividend $ with potential tax consequences at inopportune times even if immediately reinvested.
I'd have been paying 15% tax on dividends for 20 or so years if I had concentrated my taxable investments on dividends early on. Instead, I got decades of growth without taxes and now in retirement can draw down without taxes. It's almost like my taxable account is a Roth IRA but better because I have full access and can even borrow against it.
I'd have been paying 15% tax on dividends for 20 or so years if I had concentrated my taxable investments on dividends early on. Instead, I got decades of growth without taxes and now in retirement can draw down without taxes. It's almost like my taxable account is a Roth IRA but better because I have full access and can even borrow against it.
This post was edited on 8/27/22 at 11:58 am

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