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re: What Caused the Historically Low Interest Rates.?

Posted on 5/30/24 at 7:53 am to
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 7:53 am to
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Im still young enough, but I don't really understand why more boomers didn't take more advantage early on of the low interest rates?

They were raised with the mindset you don’t debt out unless you absolutely need it. All debt is bad…

I still get shite from my parents because I use my credit cards for everything, and just pay it off monthly. And when I explain to them that we take 3 vacations a year on points and under $2.5k; it still doesn’t register.

Of course, they will brag about their annuities and will pull the “I told you so” when damn near everyone was losing their money in the market a few years ago. I told my dad I was buying funds on clearance sale at the end of 2020 and into 2021 and it was another attempted lecture
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:07 am to
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I still get shite from my parents because I use my credit cards for everything, and just pay it off monthly. And when I explain to them that we take 3 vacations a year on points and under $2.5k; it still doesn’t register.



wow. they need to take your advice.

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Of course, they will brag about their annuities and will pull the “I told you so” when damn near everyone was losing their money in the market a few years ago.


well many were still making money in RE, hard money loans, trading etc.
and even if all you were in was say a SPY or VOO etf. like you told them, had you went in big on that 2020 dip look how much you have made now. astronomical returns. I do not understand how they cannot understand that. hardheadedness and not willing to learn. that is old people for ya.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3528 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:56 am to
2008 financial crisis

congress repeals glass steagall in the 90's. glass steagall was passed to separate investment banking and regular banking after great depressions.
bankers and mortgage groups conduct massive fraud (seriously) selling and packaging shite loans as mortgage backed securities.

read the link it explains the rest. the system nearly failed. bush bailed out the banks shifting the huge debt to taxpayer. fed lowered rates to zero and engaged in quantitative easing. Fed starting buying govt debt bonds. 20+ years of this shite is what caused massived deficits and now inflation.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11677 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:29 am to
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9/11 was one event along a 40 year trend of events that were driving rates lower on the whole.



It signaled regime change at the least. FOMC interventions and stimi checks in response to a credit shock

We were basically dragged into a reflationary recovery by China and war time spending in the 2000s from what I remember.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37106 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:38 pm to
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ut relatively muted inflation and growth expectations drive rates.
This was my point too - demand was quite muted for about a decade. That all changed with the pandemic.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37106 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 1:39 pm to
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9/11 was one event along a 40 year trend of events that were driving rates lower on the whole.
Yes, but that huge 80s spike was the anomaly. 250 year 10 year UST average is 4.something. You can see post-911, we spent WAY more time below that average than in prior periods.
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3693 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 8:25 pm to
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with my banker


Bravo to you for having a banker. Everyone should.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90105 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:04 pm to
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Yes, but that huge 80s spike was the anomaly. 250 year 10 year UST average is 4.something. You can see post-911, we spent WAY more time below that average than in prior periods.


I realize the 80s were abnormal, but the trend since then was about as well defined as a chart really gets. It didn’t break out of that trend in any meaningful way until late 2022.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40168 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 9:08 pm to
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congress repeals glass steagall in the 90's. glass steagall was passed to separate investment banking and regular banking after great depressions.


I read a book once that argued the data show that banks that had both units in the Great Depression fared better than banks that didn't have both arms, so that Glass-Steagall was misguided policy.

Perhaps you're damned either way.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22510 posts
Posted on 5/31/24 at 11:56 am to
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Aren't you a grown arse man? Why didn't you do your own research and buy a bigger house?


I was being sarcastic. I was in my 20s, how much home buying experience, interest rate history, etc. do most have in their 20s?

Look, I'm not suggesting taking on a massive amount of debt is a good thing to suggest to your kids or family.

But, I don't think its a bad idea if real estate is an affordable purchase and long term loans at historically amazing rates are available to suggest it could be a good idea.

This is coming from people that purchased in the 80s and 90s with 8-18% rates.

It does seem like those born in the late 70s and sooner are more adept and change. You see fewer and fewer old hair styles, old clothing styles, etc. That can translate into business and banking also, sticking to what you grew up with. Maybe because change was slower and you stuck with what you knew?

It was very normal in the 90s and early 2000s to see people daily that look like they were stuck in the 70s and 80s.
Posted by WM88
West Monroe
Member since Aug 2004
1872 posts
Posted on 6/1/24 at 6:10 pm to
Politics

Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2864 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 4:56 pm to
It was a once in a lifetime combination of CRAP starting with the fiasco's in politics that LED to 2008. Then the TBTF and printing of money (~9T US debt at that time) from the US and the rest of the world. Since 2008, about 39 Trillion dollars were created out of thin air, devaluing the real monies in the world. Politics played a huge part, business with bad practices should have been left to die. There were plenty of people and companies that made MONEY on bad business practices and they should have failed, but TBTF was born. Based on the printed money, rates should have started to climb immediately in proportion to the monies printed, they didn't.

Nobody wanted to pay the piper, politics always gets in the way, then Covid and the super printer was turned on and all the programs that people took advantage of and waste / fraud / abuse occurred. Then JB approved even more stupid programs and the biggest killer of all is open borders that now NOBODY can put a dollar figure on in cost (programs, housing, medical, education, damage, etc). WE KEEP DOING IT AND REAL INFLATION KEEPS CLIMBING!

Anyone who thinks that rates are going down anytime soon UNLESS POLITICS DRIVES IT, is delusional.

You should hope to NEVER see rates like that again, because if you do it means we have put our selves in a worse situation than previously stated.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 5:50 pm to
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I was in my 20s, how much home buying experience, interest rate history, etc. do most have in their 20s?


I understand what you meant. But given your lack of experience and real estate knowledge, maybe that’s also why they didn’t guide you in that direction. And/or maybe they weren’t real estate aficionados themselves and didn’t feel qualified to offer that advice.

Most of the investment real estate that I bought was bought when I was in my mid to late 20s in the 80s. But I’d spent a lot of time with an uncle in California who was a real estate investor and developer. Banking and real estate became my profession for a time. And I got an education inside and outside the classroom, mainly because I had him to turn to for sound advice.

So I get what you’re saying. But situations are different from person to person. Without a proper mentor, it’s possible that you could have blown yourself up with bad deals that (initially) looked like good deals. 30 year fixed rates at 8% back then (coming off mid double digits a few years prior) didn’t make every deal a good one. Even with a great mentor, I still managed to find my share of stinkers too.
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
5973 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 7:29 pm to
The have been historically low since 9/11
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