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Tax implication of negative cash flow from rental property
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:41 pm
Wife and I are planing to move out of our current primary home and out of state, but do not want to sell this house for various reasons. However when we rent this home I am expecting about -$2K per month in cash flow after accounting for mortgage + interest + property tax.
Question: Can I use the negative cash flow from that property to offset taxes when we file our taxes? Are there any other financial considerations we need to be thinking about here?
Question: Can I use the negative cash flow from that property to offset taxes when we file our taxes? Are there any other financial considerations we need to be thinking about here?
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:52 pm to euphemus
Not a CPA...but those would be passive losses. You would need other passive gains to offset. Can't take passive and offset it with active.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:59 pm to TheOcean
You may be able to avoid the passive/active issue by transferring the house to an LLC, which would make all mortgage payments and other costs business expenses and all rents business income. Then you'd get to deduct the pass through business loss from your personal income.
It sounds like you should probably just put the house on the market though.
*UPDATE: After looking further into it based on a few later posts, I was wrong and the LLC strategy wouldn't change the passive nature of the loss. The above post is bad advice.*
It sounds like you should probably just put the house on the market though.
*UPDATE: After looking further into it based on a few later posts, I was wrong and the LLC strategy wouldn't change the passive nature of the loss. The above post is bad advice.*
This post was edited on 7/11/22 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:16 pm to williejameshuft
Transfer it into an LLC and file through your schedule E of your personal return. With the depreciation and losses you will get some tax advantage to it. Not a CPA.
Also, $2k a month of negative cash flow? Dude, that's a lot. You sure you're going to be cool stroking those checks every month? That's going to get old quick
Also, $2k a month of negative cash flow? Dude, that's a lot. You sure you're going to be cool stroking those checks every month? That's going to get old quick
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 5:56 am
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:26 pm to euphemus
Cash flow does not equal taxable income/loss.
Deducting the loss depends on other factors such as your other taxable income and other passive income.
Why would you start a business that has negative cash flow?
You may miss out on tax free gains of a primary residence by turning it into a rental.
Deducting the loss depends on other factors such as your other taxable income and other passive income.
Why would you start a business that has negative cash flow?
You may miss out on tax free gains of a primary residence by turning it into a rental.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:28 pm to Im4datigers
Thanks for the suggestions guys. Looks like I creating an LLC under our family's trust is the way to go.
I hear you, but the amount of equity we have in it >$1M and the fact that it is in an area of California that's all-in on NIMBY and doesn't allow any new construction typically makes the property worth holding long term as we will never be able to afford another property in this area in the future if we move out and start making considerably less money elsewhere. We just got lucky we got the home when we did. Another reason we don't want to sell is that if we decide we ever want to come back, we will just come back to this house. If we never come back, wife and I will sell the home after we retire and it will be our golden egg in our old age. Anyway, it is all theoretical at this point. We have another 20 years to go before we retire.
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Also, $2k a month of negative cash flow? Dude, that's a lot. You sure you're going to be cool stroking those checks every month? That's going to get old quick
I hear you, but the amount of equity we have in it >$1M and the fact that it is in an area of California that's all-in on NIMBY and doesn't allow any new construction typically makes the property worth holding long term as we will never be able to afford another property in this area in the future if we move out and start making considerably less money elsewhere. We just got lucky we got the home when we did. Another reason we don't want to sell is that if we decide we ever want to come back, we will just come back to this house. If we never come back, wife and I will sell the home after we retire and it will be our golden egg in our old age. Anyway, it is all theoretical at this point. We have another 20 years to go before we retire.
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:34 pm to euphemus
What kind of interest rate do you have on that thing?
I have some commercial lenders that once you put it into an LLC will do a 10 year interest only loan. That could certainly help on the cash flow if the appreciation and keeping the property is what you are primarily concerned with.
I have some commercial lenders that once you put it into an LLC will do a 10 year interest only loan. That could certainly help on the cash flow if the appreciation and keeping the property is what you are primarily concerned with.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:49 pm to Im4datigers
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What kind of interest rate do you have on that thing?
2.69%. 30-yr fixed.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 2:52 pm to euphemus
yeah, that's damn strong......wouldn't make any sense to switch over to an I/o loan.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 3:23 pm to euphemus
You need to know what your taxable income would be not your cash flow.
Usually you can turn positive cash flow into a taxable loss thanks to depreciation but it shouldn’t be hard to figure out.
Basically the only differences would be the principal portion of your mortgage payment is not an expense, only the interest portion is. Then depreciation would be an expense but doesn’t effect cash flow.
Usually you can turn positive cash flow into a taxable loss thanks to depreciation but it shouldn’t be hard to figure out.
Basically the only differences would be the principal portion of your mortgage payment is not an expense, only the interest portion is. Then depreciation would be an expense but doesn’t effect cash flow.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:08 pm to williejameshuft
Creating an LLC does not turn a passive activity into an active activity.
Schedule C isn’t for real property rentals
Mortgage principal is never deductible
Schedule C isn’t for real property rentals
Mortgage principal is never deductible
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:55 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Creating an LLC does not turn a passive activity into an active activity.
Schedule C isn’t for real property rentals
Mortgage principal is never deductible
Don't come in here with facts, those tend to upset people
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:57 pm to euphemus
It will be a passive activity. Under the assumption that your negative cash flow is a taxable loss…..Unless you can offset it with other passive income, it will be “suspended” and accumulate until you sell the property and will help you offset some of the gains from doing so. So, it can help you, but not on its own and not immediately.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:21 pm to CherokeeTiger
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Schedule C isn’t for real property rentals
Yeah dead on here. Typing way too fast. Schedule e is rental income / loss. C is business income etc.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:19 am to euphemus
Are AirBnBs allowed in the area? You can make killer cashflow doing that, and automate the “headache” via a property manager/cohost.
If not, consider renting out by the room instead to get to a higher rental total. Depending on the area of California, that can be a common solution to reach higher cash flow.
If not, consider renting out by the room instead to get to a higher rental total. Depending on the area of California, that can be a common solution to reach higher cash flow.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:32 am to LSUFanHouston
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Creating an LLC does not turn a passive activity into an active activity.
You sure? I put my pantry in an LLC and now my groceries are tax deductible. I know it’s legit because TurboTax let me do it.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:41 pm to euphemus
If you file it as a loss on your taxes, it does help your overall tax situation. You will just not be able to use it as income if you try to get another loan and qualify with it. Uncle Sam finds one way to get you
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Creating an LLC does not turn a passive activity into an active activity. Schedule C isn’t for real property rentals Mortgage principal is never deductible
Thank you.
I thought I had entered the twilight zone before getting to this post. Or this cat
Unless it has changed you can deduct up to $25k of RE loss from ordinary income up to $100k magi (I think) phased completely out after $150k.
There are also carry forward losses and real state professional status.
And fair rental value requirements to use Sch E.
OP should consult w CPA and/or tax atty.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 7/9/22 at 5:36 am to euphemus
I’m in a similar position. I submit my loses in my rental properties - my CPA has informed me in the past that it doesn’t affect my personal filing. But the loses will be included when we sell the property and taxes are filed that tax year - I hope that makes sense.
Posted on 7/10/22 at 8:37 am to euphemus
Without other passive activities your rental losses are suspended losses. And basically you can’t do a damn thing until you have other passive income or sell the property.
And I’m also assuming you make too much for the loss allowance.
And I’m also assuming you make too much for the loss allowance.
This post was edited on 7/10/22 at 8:40 am
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