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Stocks are the only thing that people hate to buy when they are on sale.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:21 pm
The market truly is driven by fear & greed.
Both emotions usually lead to poor decision making.
Both emotions usually lead to poor decision making.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:22 pm to Cali Forni
And we hate to sell when they're going up.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:48 pm to Cali Forni
Funny most people on this board missed some really good sales at the beginning of the week
Posted on 6/24/22 at 3:06 pm to FLObserver
I’ve sold puts on equities that I’d like to pick up at certain prices. If they don’t hit, then I’ll reassess and continue doing that. But I’m not buying anything straight out as a long term investment YET.
As trades, I’m still selling calls on certain individual equities. My short calls on SPX didn’t hit today. Until the Fed and the economy give different signals, I see this as a rally in a bear market. And this volatility is making option premiums quite profitable (as long as you don’t get over your skis).
I’m also trying to learn more about opportunity trades in BITO vs BITI - and both are optionable. That space and the associated volatility are very interesting to me, but I have to learn a LOT more before developing a trading strategy.
As trades, I’m still selling calls on certain individual equities. My short calls on SPX didn’t hit today. Until the Fed and the economy give different signals, I see this as a rally in a bear market. And this volatility is making option premiums quite profitable (as long as you don’t get over your skis).
I’m also trying to learn more about opportunity trades in BITO vs BITI - and both are optionable. That space and the associated volatility are very interesting to me, but I have to learn a LOT more before developing a trading strategy.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 5:26 pm to Cali Forni
I’m the opposite (and it is honestly a problem too).
I ONLY buy on days that are like historically red. I need to get better about putting money in while it’s going up too. But especially the past couple years when the market was way over inflated to prop up poor Democrat decisions I stayed out and didn’t start buying until this spring since Chinavirus started.
I need to be better at remembering even a Green Day that sees VOO rocket up to 365 is still a lot lower than 420 or whatever it was at
I ONLY buy on days that are like historically red. I need to get better about putting money in while it’s going up too. But especially the past couple years when the market was way over inflated to prop up poor Democrat decisions I stayed out and didn’t start buying until this spring since Chinavirus started.
I need to be better at remembering even a Green Day that sees VOO rocket up to 365 is still a lot lower than 420 or whatever it was at
Posted on 6/24/22 at 6:58 pm to Cali Forni
Be greedy when everyone else is fearful. Be fearful when everyone else is greedy.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 7:52 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Or just follow the Fed post 2008.
Posted on 6/25/22 at 7:46 am to Cali Forni
The discount right now will be a lot more in 2 months
Posted on 6/25/22 at 4:29 pm to Upperdecker
While my IRA hopes you are wrong my play account hopes you are right. In my play account I’ve had a lot of stop loss orders fill. Not all but some of my energy (XOM, BP, SHEL, ET, EPD, and MMP) stop loss have filled and I am recently about 2/3 cash. I have the itch to buy and last week have put in some very small, for me, limit orders (INTC, DVN, ZIM and SPYG). Most haven’t filled.
So bottom line is since I am looking to get my toes wet the rest of you should hold off because I am probably wrong. LOL.
So bottom line is since I am looking to get my toes wet the rest of you should hold off because I am probably wrong. LOL.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 12:43 pm to Upperdecker
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The discount right now will be a lot more in 2 months
This. There's nothing in place to counter price increases except for the Fed's rate hikes and those will still take a while to impact inflation in general. In the meantime, it (and the continued high price of fuel) will start driving unemployment.
If things continue as they have been, I fully expect the June numbers to show Unemployment tick up slightly, then more for July, then begin to snowball in August.
There will be buys aplenty just waiting to be had.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 2:58 pm to Bard
There are some great companies at a discount
NKE
Apple
Amazon
NOT DWAC
NKE
Apple
Amazon
NOT DWAC
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:18 pm to Tmcgin
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There are some great companies at a discount
We're barely in the beginning of the beginning.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 4:42 pm to Cali Forni
Markets attract a herd mentality and the herd is often times wrong. Human nature tends to behave irrationally as a group and markets allow humans to behave irrationally on both the up and down side.
From tulips to bitcoin we see humans do things not because it makes financial sense, but because others are doing it. Markets allow for things to become overpriced and underpriced. It’s the investors job to figure out whether the market has it right or wrong and exploit the inequities.
It’s fairly easy to see the excesses in the upside but human nature makes it harder to see on the downside. But it happens just the same. It’s a lot easier to follow the herd up as we have seen in dotcom and crypto etal. The downside excess requires a good bit of patience and faith that the future brings a better day.
As I see it, if the time frame is 10+ years, the current market brings some good value. If you don’t like waiting for the bull then it could make a lot of sense to get some dividend paying companies with strong history of increased payouts. You could find plenty of companies paying over 3% so you get paid to wait.
From tulips to bitcoin we see humans do things not because it makes financial sense, but because others are doing it. Markets allow for things to become overpriced and underpriced. It’s the investors job to figure out whether the market has it right or wrong and exploit the inequities.
It’s fairly easy to see the excesses in the upside but human nature makes it harder to see on the downside. But it happens just the same. It’s a lot easier to follow the herd up as we have seen in dotcom and crypto etal. The downside excess requires a good bit of patience and faith that the future brings a better day.
As I see it, if the time frame is 10+ years, the current market brings some good value. If you don’t like waiting for the bull then it could make a lot of sense to get some dividend paying companies with strong history of increased payouts. You could find plenty of companies paying over 3% so you get paid to wait.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 5:53 pm to SlidellCajun
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Markets attract a herd mentality and the herd is often times wrong
the herd is more often correct than incorrect. in fact, often times the herd itself is what makes the winning thing.
ipod vs zune. basically the same product, but the herd was already behind ipod. widespread adoption is very important and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with 'financial sense'
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we see humans do things not because it makes financial sense, but because others are doing it.
again, because others can be a good reason. go ahead invest in something that no one else does, just see how much financial sense that makes. the vast majority of the time this will bite you in the arse, because you need others' investments for success.
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You could find plenty of companies paying over 3% so you get paid to wait.
you would be getting paid negative value at 3% considering inflation
I do agree with some of your other points, but theres a lot of nonsense to weed through.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 6/27/22 at 7:21 pm to Cali Forni
I want to buy more, but I'd have to sell first.
Posted on 6/27/22 at 9:08 pm to AMS
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again, because others can be a good reason. go ahead invest in something that no one else does, just see how much financial sense that makes.
Wow
Not sure how you could have missed the entire point any worse but then again, maybe you didn’t.
I have done very well buying when others are selling. After 9/11… I bought etf’s in 3 index’s and did very well. Same thing in 09 when no one was buying.
But hey, you follow the herd. Good luck
Posted on 6/27/22 at 9:40 pm to SlidellCajun
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Wow
Not sure how you could have missed the entire point any worse but then again, maybe you didn’t.
I have done very well buying when others are selling. After 9/11… I bought etf’s in 3 index’s and did very well. Same thing in 09 when no one was buying.
i sure didnt, your point is just nonsense, which was my point.
you pretty much proved my point, you only succeeded because of the herd. if none of the herd moved back to those indexes, you would have not done well at all, thats just how it works. your investment is only as good as the herd deems it is. the herd itself made your investment a winner it was less about whatever 'financial sense' you think you had.
in fact trying to time the market and catch a falling knife (which is what you described doing) is generally one of the least successful endeavors, and could reasonably be viewed as less rational than following the herd. If you were really coherently trying to describe making 'financial sense' you would have described DCA not knife catching.
then you acted like a 3% dividend stock was a solid 'way to get paid while waiting' despite the fact that you are losing value by doing so.
This post was edited on 6/27/22 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/28/22 at 6:41 am to Cali Forni
Agreed. But it’s not that simple. You likely already have plenty of this product that just went on sale. In fact, its even cheaper than the last time you bought it. Not to mention the Labor Day sale going to have even deeper discounts. But, final sale, no returns! (Unless you want to sell for a loss)
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 6:50 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:11 am to AMS
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you pretty much proved my point, you only succeeded because of the herd. if none of the herd moved back to those indexes, you would have not done well at all, thats just how it works
in fact trying to time the market and catch a falling knife (which is what you described doing) is generally one of the least successful endeavors,
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You’re arguing for argument sake
My points are solid and you’re making the same point in a roundabout way.
I do make money because of the herd. That’s the point. You just don’t understand why.
And I don’t recommend trying to catch a falling knife. As a bull, I look for opportunities, not trades.
This post was edited on 6/28/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 6/28/22 at 7:23 am to SlidellCajun
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I do make money because of the herd
yup.
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You just don’t understand why.
nah. but its convenient deflections to just claim I just must not understand bc I disagree with your nonsense.
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And I don’t recommend trying to catch a falling knife
you may not recommend it, but its exactly what you described doing in your brag about doing very well. maybe use non-knife catching examples if youre going to claim you operate with 'financial sense' and act like you are above market irrationality.
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