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Question about PMI

Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 pm
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 pm
Lets say I purchased some land valued at $50,000 which I paid off in cash at closing. Then turned around and built a house on that land, lets say the house cost $300,000.

Would the value of the land be considered towards 20% requirement needed to avoid PMI?

In this hypothetical I would only need to pay an additional $10,000 to reach the pivotal 20% equity.

Am I correct in this assumption?

Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 pm to
You are correct
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1576 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:08 pm to
I'm getting $20,000.

50k (land) + 300k (house) = 350k (total value at completion)
350k * 20% (equity) = $70k
70k - 50k = 20k
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

I'm getting $20,000.


Ok this is a part I wasn't sure about.

So the PMI is based on the total assessed value? Even though the land was already paid off. I thought it would have been based on the value of the loan amount.
Posted by ellesssuuu
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
2781 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:17 pm to
Assuming you are building a house which in that case would be off the value of the property including the lot
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1576 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:18 pm to
I pretty sure it's total. They can't repossess the house without the land. It's been about 7 years for me though...
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:31 pm to
Does the value of the land and the home equal to your outlay of $350k?
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Does the value of the land and the home equal to your outlay of $350k?


The land was purchased and paid off at $50,000. The home is being built on that land at a total value of $300,000.

When everything is finished. Assessed value of total property is $350,000.

Bank is only loaning $300,000.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17261 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:48 pm to
If you are borrowing 300k you need the total house land etc to appraise for 375 to reach 20% equity to avoid PMI
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:55 pm to
if you’re building don’t you need a construction loan which is 20% down anyway?
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
9820 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

if you’re building don’t you need a construction loan which is 20% down anyway?


My understanding is that land can be used as down payment on construction loans.

Which is why I'm wondering if the land would be enough to meet the 20% requirement or if it's total assessed value (which most here seem to indicate that it is)
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:05 pm
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:06 pm to
Find a bank that will do a construction loan on the appraised value. The appraiser will take your proposed budget, plans, & specs and appraise your lot as if the house was built. They will base your loan to value on the appraised amount, not on the construction cost + lot cost.
Also to someone else’s reply for a construction do you need to have 20% the answer is no. I know of some banks that will go 95% all the way to $850k.
If you are building in Texas I can help you out with some names. If it’s in another state just ask or research who has the best 1x close programs. Usually it’s the mid size banks.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16474 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 11:06 am to
quote:

The land was purchased and paid off at $50,000. The home is being built on that land at a total value of $300,000.


The home is being built at a COST of $300K, not value.

quote:

When everything is finished. Assessed value of total property is $350,000.


The assessed value (tax) is irrelevant. All that maters is the appraisal in regards to your LTV being at 80/20 to avoid paying PMI.

Once the house is completed or very near completed your lender will order an appraisal to determine its value. What you paid for the lot and/or to have the home built really doesn’t come into play. It’s all about the final appraised value as that is what the bank will be securing (via a mortgage) to loan you money.
This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 11:07 am
Posted by HYDRebs
Houston
Member since Sep 2014
1241 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

The assessed value (tax) is irrelevant. All that maters is the appraisal in regards to your LTV being at 80/20 to avoid paying PMI. Once the house is completed or very near completed your lender will order an appraisal to determine its value. What you paid for the lot and/or to have the home built really doesn’t come into play. It’s all about the final appraised value as that is what the bank will be securing (via a mortgage) to loan you money.


This is a 2x close. Don't do this if you can avoid it. Go find a bank that has a 1x close program. The appraisal is upfront. Instead of having to qualify 12 months later when the house is built you do everything up front. You avoid paying closing costs twice this way. As well as the chance that the housing market in your area tanks and you have to bring more cash to the bank to get the LTV you desire. This way you know upfront before the build.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11813 posts
Posted on 1/21/20 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

When everything is finished. Assessed value of total property is $350,000.



quote:

Bank is only loaning $300,000.


Assuming the whole property (house and land) is appraised to be $350,000, then you need to have 20% of the appraised amount in equity in order to avoid PMI.

The "theory" behind the requirement of PMI is the lender will not get full value of a repossessed house in auction. likely they will get 80% of the value. and in your case the value of the property is $350,000

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