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Pay ahead on mortgage vs saving
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:34 pm
With the current state of the country, is it wise to pay ahead on a mortgage vs banking any extra funds? I understand the extreme volume of dollars spent in interest if the mortgage goes full term and how the extra principle payments shorten the mortgage life, just thinking in other directions and pondering.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:38 pm to killinme_smalls
Mortgage rates are ridiculously low. I personally would prefer to use that to my advantage in investing, but everyone has a different level of comfort. The fact is everyone puts a different price on peace of mind with little to no debt. Everyone has a different situation, too. Mathematically you can use current rates to your advantage, though. Also how much time do you have to track your investments? Do you want to set it and forget it?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:39 pm to killinme_smalls
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:40 pm to killinme_smalls
Low rates. Inflation. Both friends of an investor. I wouldn’t pay extra. Your mortgage payment will still be the same when McD workers make $15/hrs
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:05 pm to killinme_smalls
interest rates are low but that applies to both your mortgage and bank savings. If those are the two options that you are considering, I would payoff the mortgage. Being debt free is major stress reliever.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:11 pm to TigerintheNO
I'm pretty risk averse. I actually really like the idea of having no mortgage and absolutely want that to be part of my retirement plan, but it's hard to justify paying it off when rates are under 3% and the market is returning ~18%.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:22 pm to FinleyStreet
Thanks for all the replies. All of the responses have merit and are in the thought process.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:53 pm to killinme_smalls
Often forgotten is that your mortgage is a great inflation hedge.
If the value of a dollar decreases, your principle amount owed remains the same so you actually get a benefit.
In short, I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.
If the value of a dollar decreases, your principle amount owed remains the same so you actually get a benefit.
In short, I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:25 pm to killinme_smalls
Depends on your interest rate. Anything below 4%, you are doing yourself a disservice by paying it early. Take that money you would have thrown into it and put it in a SP500 index fund and beat the >4% that you would have "gained" by paying the mortgage early.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:54 pm to killinme_smalls
I've built a spreadsheet that will show you down to the penny and you can manipulate numbers until you are blue in the face and see the overwhelming difference as to why you should NEVER pay extra on a mortgage. In fact, I'd tell you to take every dollar in equity out and invest it at these rates assuming you have a good home investment and you plan to stay there.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:26 pm to lynxcat
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I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.
Somewhat agree. I am paying mine down a little quicker because I want my mortgage done a few years before retirement
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:30 pm to Weekend Warrior79
This question comes up a lot . Me personally , I love the peace of mind that comes with owning my own home and not having ANY debt. Now, if I can borrow money , buy shares , and use the shares a collateral, sure! But, I will never put my home (wife , 6 year old , 4 year old) at risk of being taken away.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:38 pm to killinme_smalls
I paid off my 15 year mortgage in 5 years with double payments. I am now putting all my extra money now into stocks. Feels freedom not having to pay that note. My stock portfolio now is growing.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:47 pm to tiger perry
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I paid off my 15 year mortgage in 5 years with double payments. I am now putting all my extra money now into stocks. Feels freedom not having to pay that note. My stock portfolio now is growing.
I have a 30 year that I pay extra on once we max out our retirement funds. I trade cryptos for daytrading purposes but don't plan on going heavy into brokerage accounts until the mortgage is paid off.
I understand its an emotional decision more than a logical one, and that inflation would help deprecate my debt; but the way I see it there is an emotional value to seeing my ownership stake in the house go up, and on the logical side this debt isn't going anywhere for a while so I can still reap some of the inflation benefits and the equity I do build up from paying off the mortgage is a slight hedge that inflation won't be that tremendous or that the markets take an unprecedented tumble.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:57 pm to Ross
There is a way to justify both sides to this situation. I just hated writing that check . The house is now paid off to the penny and I can now put extra cash into my brokerage account. My mortgage company asked me to finance another house with them
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:36 pm to jimbeam
I saved more money in my 50’s compared to the rest of my life due to paying off my house and getting totally debt free. That is my personal experience.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:43 pm to Popths
Mathematical vs emotional/psychological is hard to grasp. No mortgage makes folks “feel” better financially but the math doesn’t support paying it versus the opportunity cost of investment.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:06 pm to killinme_smalls
TLDR answer: Pay minimum on your mortgage, invest extra money in the market. When your brokerage account has enough to pay off your mortgage balance, begin assessing when you feel it will make sense to lump-sum your remaining mortgage.
My 2 cents....
I think paying off a mortgage early has alot of merit going for it, even with sub-3% interest rates.
From a FIRE perspective, reducing your monthly expenses is as powerful or more powerful than increasing monthly income and there's also an obvious sense of security imparted by owning your residence.
Mathematically we all know paying off a low interest mortgage early is obviously less profitable. I think somewhere along our paths in life we will all cross a threshold where the security and independence outweighs the mathematical profit.
I don't think it's wrong to pay extra over the course of the loan and I realize the HELOC option is there to retrieve cash if it was ever needed. But I think extra money to an investment account rather than the mortgage maintains the cash availability option while also maximizing the mathematical advantage. I think with low interest rates this is going to be the most right answer for most people most of the time.
My 2 cents....
I think paying off a mortgage early has alot of merit going for it, even with sub-3% interest rates.
From a FIRE perspective, reducing your monthly expenses is as powerful or more powerful than increasing monthly income and there's also an obvious sense of security imparted by owning your residence.
Mathematically we all know paying off a low interest mortgage early is obviously less profitable. I think somewhere along our paths in life we will all cross a threshold where the security and independence outweighs the mathematical profit.
I don't think it's wrong to pay extra over the course of the loan and I realize the HELOC option is there to retrieve cash if it was ever needed. But I think extra money to an investment account rather than the mortgage maintains the cash availability option while also maximizing the mathematical advantage. I think with low interest rates this is going to be the most right answer for most people most of the time.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:17 pm to lynxcat
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In short, I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.
This may be the best, most simple explanation of the question right here.
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