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Pay ahead on mortgage vs saving

Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted by killinme_smalls
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
441 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:34 pm
With the current state of the country, is it wise to pay ahead on a mortgage vs banking any extra funds? I understand the extreme volume of dollars spent in interest if the mortgage goes full term and how the extra principle payments shorten the mortgage life, just thinking in other directions and pondering.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12257 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:38 pm to
Mortgage rates are ridiculously low. I personally would prefer to use that to my advantage in investing, but everyone has a different level of comfort. The fact is everyone puts a different price on peace of mind with little to no debt. Everyone has a different situation, too. Mathematically you can use current rates to your advantage, though. Also how much time do you have to track your investments? Do you want to set it and forget it?
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72498 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:39 pm to
Can you withdraw principal payments made to mortgage? like with LOC?

if you want to pay down you use velocity banking strategies using a HELOC or PLOC to pay off a home so you have leverage and a hedge when "LIFE HAPPENS".

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Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:40 pm to
Low rates. Inflation. Both friends of an investor. I wouldn’t pay extra. Your mortgage payment will still be the same when McD workers make $15/hrs
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41158 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:05 pm to
interest rates are low but that applies to both your mortgage and bank savings. If those are the two options that you are considering, I would payoff the mortgage. Being debt free is major stress reliever.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7898 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:11 pm to
I'm pretty risk averse. I actually really like the idea of having no mortgage and absolutely want that to be part of my retirement plan, but it's hard to justify paying it off when rates are under 3% and the market is returning ~18%.
Posted by killinme_smalls
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
441 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:22 pm to
Thanks for all the replies. All of the responses have merit and are in the thought process.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:53 pm to
Often forgotten is that your mortgage is a great inflation hedge.

If the value of a dollar decreases, your principle amount owed remains the same so you actually get a benefit.

In short, I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80761 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:25 pm to
Depends on your interest rate. Anything below 4%, you are doing yourself a disservice by paying it early. Take that money you would have thrown into it and put it in a SP500 index fund and beat the >4% that you would have "gained" by paying the mortgage early.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2700 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:54 pm to
I've built a spreadsheet that will show you down to the penny and you can manipulate numbers until you are blue in the face and see the overwhelming difference as to why you should NEVER pay extra on a mortgage. In fact, I'd tell you to take every dollar in equity out and invest it at these rates assuming you have a good home investment and you plan to stay there.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16314 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

 I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.

Somewhat agree. I am paying mine down a little quicker because I want my mortgage done a few years before retirement
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
7454 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:30 pm to
This question comes up a lot . Me personally , I love the peace of mind that comes with owning my own home and not having ANY debt. Now, if I can borrow money , buy shares , and use the shares a collateral, sure! But, I will never put my home (wife , 6 year old , 4 year old) at risk of being taken away.
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:38 pm to
I paid off my 15 year mortgage in 5 years with double payments. I am now putting all my extra money now into stocks. Feels freedom not having to pay that note. My stock portfolio now is growing.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

I paid off my 15 year mortgage in 5 years with double payments. I am now putting all my extra money now into stocks. Feels freedom not having to pay that note. My stock portfolio now is growing.


I have a 30 year that I pay extra on once we max out our retirement funds. I trade cryptos for daytrading purposes but don't plan on going heavy into brokerage accounts until the mortgage is paid off.

I understand its an emotional decision more than a logical one, and that inflation would help deprecate my debt; but the way I see it there is an emotional value to seeing my ownership stake in the house go up, and on the logical side this debt isn't going anywhere for a while so I can still reap some of the inflation benefits and the equity I do build up from paying off the mortgage is a slight hedge that inflation won't be that tremendous or that the markets take an unprecedented tumble.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted by tiger perry
Member since Dec 2009
25668 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 4:57 pm to
There is a way to justify both sides to this situation. I just hated writing that check . The house is now paid off to the penny and I can now put extra cash into my brokerage account. My mortgage company asked me to finance another house with them
Posted by Popths
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
3964 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:36 pm to
I saved more money in my 50’s compared to the rest of my life due to paying off my house and getting totally debt free. That is my personal experience.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:43 pm to
Mathematical vs emotional/psychological is hard to grasp. No mortgage makes folks “feel” better financially but the math doesn’t support paying it versus the opportunity cost of investment.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 6:47 pm to
Time. Value. Of. Money.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4643 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:06 pm to
TLDR answer: Pay minimum on your mortgage, invest extra money in the market. When your brokerage account has enough to pay off your mortgage balance, begin assessing when you feel it will make sense to lump-sum your remaining mortgage.




My 2 cents....


I think paying off a mortgage early has alot of merit going for it, even with sub-3% interest rates.

From a FIRE perspective, reducing your monthly expenses is as powerful or more powerful than increasing monthly income and there's also an obvious sense of security imparted by owning your residence.

Mathematically we all know paying off a low interest mortgage early is obviously less profitable. I think somewhere along our paths in life we will all cross a threshold where the security and independence outweighs the mathematical profit.

I don't think it's wrong to pay extra over the course of the loan and I realize the HELOC option is there to retrieve cash if it was ever needed. But I think extra money to an investment account rather than the mortgage maintains the cash availability option while also maximizing the mathematical advantage. I think with low interest rates this is going to be the most right answer for most people most of the time.

Posted by LSU in Frisco TX
In the Green
Member since Oct 2006
752 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 8:17 pm to
quote:

In short, I am hard pressed why ANYONE would not want to payoff their mortgage as slow as possible at historically low rates and possible inflationary environment.


This may be the best, most simple explanation of the question right here.
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