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re: Origin Materials Stock- Hopefully my ticket to financial freedom.

Posted on 4/13/22 at 9:43 am to
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 9:43 am to
Yeah look if the tech doesn't work this is going to zero. Obviously higher risk than an index fund. But IF the tech works at scale this is probably one of the best risk/rewards in individual pre-revenue stocks you can find in the market today.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12400 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 9:57 am to
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Very true

I have been burned in the past - multiple times and am now very careful

I no longer pay attention to companies that have no revenue and accounting issues.

All that said, I am an old man - if I were younger, I could get into it probably.


Fair enough
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 5:03 pm to
Sucky last week to the year with the selloff and the slight delay on O1 plant mechanical completion due to the blizzard in Ontario, but I really think 2023 will be a game changing year for ORGN.

I'm hoping that the O1 plant producing these products at scale and close to projected margins will result in a flood of institutional investors into this one as they have to allocate a certain % of their portfolio to ESG friendly investments.

Once the company can start generating revenues and prove tech can scale and be cost competitive with oil even at $40-50, then I think you can light the candle on this one. My price targets are $10 by year end 2023, $15 by year end 2024, and $25 by year end 2025 (once O2 plant should be up and running in Geismar, LA).
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3526 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:17 pm to
Demand should grown even if economy is weak next year because of the ESG movement

Origin 1 and 2 on track in terms of meeting the targeted timeline

even if pre-revenue, customer demand is at $8.1 billion
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:20 pm to
$9 billion in demand actually!
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3526 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:27 pm to
stand corrected. very impressive.

does this include the rumored strategic relationship with a large United States supermarket chain?
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:32 pm to
Not sure. They are now up to six undisclosed major partners as well.
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 6:39 pm to
Good to know
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:49 pm to
Sales?
Profits?
Earnings?
Dividends?
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:00 pm to
It’s pre revenue right now but O1 plant is expected to do about $150M sales annualized and be breakeven in gross profit. O1 is a pathfinder/demo scale plant designed to work on product integration with their customers. O2 is the first true industrial scale plant, will be solely focused on PET chemicals, and is supposed to produce about $385M gross profit. O3 and beyond plants are supposed to focus on PEF chemicals and are projected to do about $400M gross profit.

So they aren’t projected to make a profit until 2026 (once O2 is operating all year). I would not expect dividends until the mid 2030’s at earliest as there is demand for dozens of these plants so reinvesting into additional plants has a higher NPV than paying dividends. Licensing deals, tax incentives, and government cost shares will be key to avoid dilution to fund the O3 and beyond plants.

The investor presentation on their website has a ton of good info.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 9:09 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82211 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:49 pm to
O2 won't be online until at least 2026 from what I've heard from those familiar with the project
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:57 pm to
Do you know locals involved on the project?

Yeah their website still says mid 2025 for O2 startup, but the DCF i built on them assumes 2026. One of the Louisiana board meetings to approve their PAB bonds was postponed as a member was sick so that was one setback that we know of.

Bigger question in my mind is do licensing deals or takeout offers come after O1 is built or after O2 is built?

Management has earnout tranches that vest if share price hits $15 by June ‘24, $20 by June 25, and $25 by June 26th, so they need to get rolling soon to hit those. I think they’ll either get bought out or have several licensing deals after O1 goes live. The push on the carbon emissions front is just so strong right now in corporate America. If $5 gas didn’t stop that then nothing will.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 10:03 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82211 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:41 pm to
Yea I’ve spoken to a person or two involved in the development

It’s not only them with the delays, all big projects are experiencing major, not yet announced, delays in the LA area.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
14128 posts
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:47 pm to
Delays caused from what variables?

And did they say anything about if they thought it would end up being a dual train facility?
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 11:00 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82211 posts
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:04 am to
Unsure but I can try to find out
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