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Origin Materials Stock- Hopefully my ticket to financial freedom.

Posted on 4/12/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3444 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 12:15 pm
I have put a substantial amount into this stock. I have a strong conviction that they execute their plans. In 5-7 years, I am hoping I don't have to work.

Company Information (its a SPAC)

ORGN is an early-stage company that uses wood chips and wood waste materials to produce carbon-negative products and is able to compete against oil-derived materials.

LINK

ORGN's core mission is to replace oil feedstocks currently used to manufacture a variety of materials with renewable and sustainable cellulose-based feedstocks. Origin plans to invest capital generated from its SPAC into chemical plants, two of which should be operational by 2025
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 12:44 pm to
Similar conviction here. My holdings from largest to smallest are: SpaceX, ORGN, IBATF, and SPIR. Still holding onto lots of cash as the market is spooky.

If ORGN's tech can work at commercial scale, it's going to be a multi multi bagger regardless of inflation or other daily stock market noise.

Cliff notes for those who aren't familiar with this one:
O1 factory comes online in early 2023 most likely
O2 factory comes online in mid 2025 in Geismar, Louisiana
- continued insider buying by management and SPAC sponsors (which is almost unheard of in SPAC world).
- O1 factory is running about 3-6 months ahead of schedule so far.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7214 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Cliff notes for those who aren't familiar with this one:
O1 factory comes online in early 2023 most likely
O2 factory comes online in mid 2025 in Geismar, Louisiana
- continued insider buying by management and SPAC sponsors (which is almost unheard of in SPAC world).
- O1 factory is running about 3-6 months ahead of schedule so far.


Very interesting. What does the need for capital look like to get those factories going? They had $46 million in cash Dec 21 per the 10K plus a shelf for another 36 million shares plus 11 million warrants.

Any rough idea of how much cash they'll need, if any, beyond that to execute the plan?
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 1:05 pm to
Not sure where you are getting that $46M in cash from, I believe it was closer to $350M or $3/share at year end.

On page 45 in this link you can see estimated O2 plant capex at $1.072B LINK

On the last quarterly call they think that O2 can be fully financed between tax incentives ($100M), state/government bonds ($700M+ I think), and existing cash on the balance sheet. So no dilution should be needed until O3 factory construction at the earliest.

The holy grail is licensing potential once they can prove scale with O1. IF that is possible, $100+ per share is not off the table imho.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 1:11 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
58529 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:04 pm to
You’ll have nothing and be happy baw

Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
7214 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Not sure where you are getting that $46M in cash from, I believe it was closer to $350M or $3/share at year end.


I just glanced at the cash amount on the 10K balance sheet. Now I see the additional $397 million in a basket of securities. Looks good and I'll be doing more research.
Posted by Lightning
Texas
Member since May 2014
3118 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 3:59 pm to
Didn’t realize there were warrants available. I’ve been slowly accumulating common shares but will take a look at the warrants as well.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 4:15 pm to
Yep i have 100K commons and 100K warrants.
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3444 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 4:38 pm to
showing some activity after hours.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1584 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:19 pm to
When will construction at the geismar plant start?
Also they say they will use wood but will the main raw material really be sugarcane slash?
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:27 pm to
Construction supposed to start mid 2023. They have a variety of intake products, really anything cellulose based. Pulpwood, wood waste, bagasse, etc. Probably can use some rice by products as well.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:56 pm to
I stopped reading at the material weakness in the internal controls for financial reporting disclosure.

Good luck boys
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

I stopped reading at the material weakness in the internal controls for financial reporting disclosure.


Do you have a link to that? Thanks.
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3444 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:28 pm to
the current company I work for had a material weakness in the internal controls for financial reporting disclosure (lack of sub-ledger vs general ledger reconciliation) for accounts payable by PWC. they fixed it this year and the material weakness is gone. very profitable and well-run company.

it definitely can be a cause of concern but it depends on the actual issue and most of the time it is fixed.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:59 pm to
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Do you have a link to that? Thanks.


Page 19 of the latest 10k
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

very profitable and well-run company.


Origin has never made one cent of business revenue.
Origin states they don’t have the right staffing and don’t have public company management experience
Pair those with the ICFR issues, I am passing.

This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 11:08 pm
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 6:54 am to
It's pre-revenue until 2023 when O1 factory comes online. 10K's are designed to have boilerplate language covering every conceivable risk factor. I think they had like 70 employees at year end and are now at over 100 to staffing issues are obviously getting addressed. I looked at the material weakness section on page 19 and it stated it has been remediated but future ones could arise, which is standard CYA language to have in there. These kind of issues are very commonplace for pre-revenue companies, which justifiably so can make them not attractive to many investors. Most pre-revenue companies will indeed go belly up, so we're out here trying to find diamonds in the rough.

The 800 lb elephant in the room is does the tech work at commercial scale and is it close to cost competitive to oil? If the answer to those questions is yes then all the other problems you have identified will be easily rectifiable.
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 6:55 am
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52952 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:11 am to
quote:

wood waste materials to produce carbon-negative products and is able to compete against oil-derived materials.


How is their "turn lead into gold" division doing?
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12267 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 9:23 am to
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I stopped reading at the material weakness in the internal controls for financial reporting disclosure.

Good luck boys


As is your right to do. Bluntly though - I would expect a SPAC to have this in the year of acquisition of a pre revenue target... last thing such company would need is a large robust accounting department.

Further, given the SEC questioned most SPACS warrant accounting - most got a MW for that alone.

Pre revenue companies, if efficient, do not have robust accounting divisions. That is why the SEC raised the 404(b) threshold to include a $100 million revenue threshold before audit... as it does not provide value.

I didnt write off Costco in 2018 with their MW, and I wouldn't write this off solely for that either

Just saw your follow up post: Man you give a lot of credence to Item 9a.... the SEC is glad someone does I am sure
This post was edited on 4/13/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 9:37 am to
Very true

I have been burned in the past - multiple times and am now very careful

I no longer pay attention to companies that have no revenue and accounting issues.

All that said, I am an old man - if I were younger, I could get into it probably.

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