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re: LSUS Online MBA Reviews

Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by GeauxUF
Atlanta OTP, GA
Member since Jun 2018
195 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 1:26 pm to
Thanks
quote:

There is no humanly possible way for him to read everyone's stuff. He does use technology to flag things, but if you search this forum, you can find where people admitted to just writing a bunch of nonsense and he had no idea. I am not advocating it. I actually enjoyed his classes to the point that I put in the real work. But, I knew I was doing it for my own pleasure and growth, which is fine for me because that is why I took on the MBA adventure anyway.


Thanks for the insight. I am getting a lot of the class from an educational standpoint and will be putting in the work. Now I know not to sweat being super verbose over being concise.
Posted by bsramzy
Member since Jan 2012
323 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 5:32 pm to
People looking for Lean Transformation for AP2- its now posted as ISDS 730
Posted by baroqen
Member since Jun 2018
234 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:54 pm to
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Now I know not to sweat being super verbose over being concise.


Ironically, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what the majority of business leaders will want... so I'm a little hesitant to recommend a class that prepares you for failure in business.


Too many words and no one reads your reports, proposals, etc. It should be evident from my course review posts, but my writing style is highly suitable for papers, but in business I typically review and re-write a few times and try to reduce my word count to at least half the original.
Posted by FL Sun
FL
Member since May 2018
29 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 4:52 am to
@buso12...Thank you for the input on Choi. Nice to hear! Spring AP2 for me.
Posted by baroqen
Member since Jun 2018
234 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:49 am to
I do feel a bit disappointed that I share a comment based on my 20 years of management experience, including writing proposals and presenting to VPs and SVPs, and it gets downvoted. The advice to be more concise actually came from a COO. The more important the person you are dealing with is, the less time they actually have to actually read a long-winded report. Brevity is valued by the powerful.

Simply because some students want to raise Meeks upon a pedestal. He might be a great teacher overall, but that doesn't make him perfect. Requiring busy work and/or complete fluff to pad word count is NOT in the best interest of students looking to become actual leaders in the workplace.

There are certain places that love verbosity, almost all of them academic. If you want to become a researcher or teacher, then word count is great. If you want to be a manager, then being concise is VERY important. This is a MBA program which people typically to develop practical WORK skills and theories, not a doctorate program preparing someone for academia.
This post was edited on 11/10/18 at 6:26 am
Posted by bsramzy
Member since Jan 2012
323 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 5:59 am to
@baroqen Look at it like this: He is highly touted as the greated professor in the program. We have had a chance to experience his course and come to our own conclusions.

Now, take that and try a different professor in the next MADM type class and see how he compares. Take the best characteristics of each class/professor and apply it for the future.(I understand you probably are done with the program now, but hopefully you get my point)
Posted by GeauxUF
Atlanta OTP, GA
Member since Jun 2018
195 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Ironically, this is exactly the OPPOSITE of what the majority of business leaders will want... so I'm a little hesitant to recommend a class that prepares you for failure in business.

Too many words and no one reads your reports, proposals, etc. It should be evident from my course review posts, but my writing style is highly suitable for papers, but in business, I typically review and re-write a few times and try to reduce my word count to at least half the original.


I absolutely agree with you on this. I've been in technology, management, and leadership since 1996 or so. A big reason I'm struggling with Meeks' course is that I have to consciously fight the urge to be concise. Unfortunately, it looks like quantity over quality rules in this course.

It is reinforcing a bad habit. In business, time is our most valuable asset. People in the real world don't have time to fish through word soup to find the real content.

I use the online Hemmingway editor along with Grammarly to edit my work, which values concise writing. That workflow is difficult to use here.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted by DarthPasta
Member since May 2018
30 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 11:29 am to
How was McLaughlin’s exam this week?
Posted by baroqen
Member since Jun 2018
234 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 12:04 pm to
McLaughlin's test felt a bit heavy on the T/F questions, but otherwise about the same as the first two. I've literally gotten the exact same grade on all three. So far they've been straightforward without "trick" questions. I definitely feel like she's using a proper question bank though, since I got the exact same question just phrased differently so you might have a very different experience.

Posted by TigerDragon435
South of Canada
Member since Oct 2017
188 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 6:03 pm to
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I've literally gotten the exact same grade on all three.


I just finished my 3rd exam and that makes two of us getting the exact same grade 3 times in a row.
Posted by WDE251
Texas
Member since Dec 2017
122 posts
Posted on 11/10/18 at 8:37 pm to
@baroquen the pairing was a bad idea for me due to the workload, content (math isnt my best subject) and being in peak season at work so not having the time needed to study.

Question for anybody in or previously taken MADM 760 -Meeks:

How are you all recording your team meeting with shared content and all team members in the shot? We are using zoom and it's only recording the active speaker in the corner of the screen.

I've changed a ton of settings and talked to 3 different zoom techs... any advice would be helpful!
Posted by GeauxUF
Atlanta OTP, GA
Member since Jun 2018
195 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:36 am to
@WDE251: when I (as the host) hover over the live video of the speakers, a toolbar pops up with options to arrange the view. All I do is make sure I pick the mode that shows everyone at the same time. I’m using a Mac. Seems to have been working for us.
Posted by zachtiger
St. Francisville
Member since Oct 2007
223 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:37 pm to
@GeauxUF. Agree 100% with your sentiment on Meeks. I made a huge mistake listening to whoever talked me into staying in his section, first bit of bad info I’ve gotten on this forum. Waaaay too much material to cover in a week, group members in 4 different time zones, busy work in the form of answering short questions using long winded “b.s. filler” just to get to a word count. He sets minimum word count at 700, and you write 2,100 (3 times the minimum) yet he says it’s “below average”!? Wtf. Not sure what is so “likeable” about his class....his video lectures are pointless and the only good lectures are from YouTube via Michael Porter that I could watch without taking the class. So much of the class is busy work and a colossal waste of time
Posted by zachtiger
St. Francisville
Member since Oct 2007
223 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 6:40 pm to
@baroquen. You hit the nail on the head “brevity is valued by the powerful”. Be brief - be brilliant - be gone.....the powerful don’t have time for b.s. filler word counts and long winded wordy over explanations for simple things.
Posted by baroqen
Member since Jun 2018
234 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:17 pm to
@zachtiger

Ruh roh! The fanbois are going to downvote your post for dissing on Meeks!

I think the extremely wide difference of opinion is probably stemming from background. Those with primarily academic experience, younger, and with the majority of their experience being school related may appreciate the fact that he appears to have a more comprehensive and possibly interactive course. Those with extensive work backgrounds, particularly in dealing with senior management, understand that time is money. While a certain amount of writing skill is required, true "Business Writing" is meant to be concise. Save the fluff and massive word counts for those who write for scholarly journals.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted by zachtiger
St. Francisville
Member since Oct 2007
223 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:26 pm to
Once again - nail on the head, people with extensive business experience understand this - obviously you do. And let them downvote away, could care less ! haha.
Posted by Glinda
Member since Apr 2018
41 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:25 pm to
Baroqen, that is one reason I like McL’s section too. I’m not sure if they have a minimum word count, but my coach said “longer isn’t better” and I think she means it. My current event papers have been roughly a page and I have gotten full points on them.
Posted by socal77
Southern California
Member since Jul 2016
505 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:35 pm to
Hi baroqen and others,

I agree with you 100% that the powerful are very busy and demand things in concise packages.

What I was told when I took both MADM 751 and 760 from Meeks is that his writing assignments are structured to allow students to let their thoughts flow without focus on sentence structure, spelling, etc. He wants the focus to be on letting ideas come out and not focused on being concise. The assignments are not meant to be executive summaries.

That's just my opinion.
Posted by baroqen
Member since Jun 2018
234 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:03 pm to
@socal77 I didn't say it was necessarily bad, but I'm pensive about recommending that style for preparing people for the business world. Also, letting ideas come out and not focusing on being concise is very different than docking points for low word count papers that might be extremely high quality.

For example, you could just as easily make the minimum requirement 800 words for full points with no maximum BUT weight the actual idea content higher. Add a statement to the effect that the focus is on letting ideas come out and flow, etc. Someone would actually have to read each paper, and grade according to quality and of ideas vs one loaded with gibberish to fulfill word count. A highly experienced/skilled writer could be concise while still creative, a less experienced but highly creative one could be verbose. Both have value, but I feel it's a bad idea to penalize concise, high quality writing and reward pure fluff.

Of course, I haven't read the actual papers myself, so I can't comment on the quality. I'm purely basing it off what others have stated. However, wouldn't it be silly if it's true that people have been rewarded for adding in a bunch of nonsense simply to fluff out a word count? Although the vagueness of the word count requirement for McLaughlin made me uncomfortable at first, in retrospect I prefer the format. Your boss is never going to give you a word count, he will simply expect highly detailed and high quality writing without fluff. As you go up the corporate ladder, most leaders will want highly complex proposals condensed to "a one pager".
Posted by bsramzy
Member since Jan 2012
323 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:02 am to
I am currently taking Meeks 760 and Williams, K 720. Bouncing between both classes and doing assignments requires me to re-calibrate my brain and the way I write.

Williams wants exactly what you guys talk about- clear, concise, exact thoughts

Meeks wants you to "write lots"
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