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Liquor store- good investment?

Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted by Random MsState Fan
Member since Jun 2018
1657 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:40 pm
Hey guys.
There is a local wine and liquor store is up for sale in my area.
Would you consider this a good investment? The building is leased for $2000/mo.

Here are the details-
Asking Price: $285,000
Gross Revenue: $900,000
EBITDA: $50,000
FF&E: $40,000
Inventory: $150,000
Posted by CHGAR
Haile, LA
Member since Aug 2022
563 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:01 pm to
Assuming inventory and FF&E are fair market value, you'll be paying 95K for the EBITA. 2X EBITDA is an attractive metric in just about any industry. If there is opportunity to cut expenses, or if current owner is running a lot of personal expenses that would cease, this could be a very attractive venture.

One recommendation I would like to offer is to require seller pay off all debt at closing or reduce cash payment by amount of debt assumption.

I strictly base this off the limited information provided so take it with a grain of salt.
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1539 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

EBITDA: $50,000


So the business breaks even give or take and the owner pays themself 50k? Did you miss a zero? That is a terrible idea given you have to be open 6 days a week and 8-10 hours.
Posted by Lickitty Split
Inside
Member since Apr 2017
3911 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:23 pm to
That’s kind of what I was thinking. You’re only making $50,000 and have all the risk.

I would not want to own any convenience store. Chance of armed robbery is high.
Posted by Random MsState Fan
Member since Jun 2018
1657 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:27 pm to
That is what threw me off! They only have 4 employees.
I don't know where in the world the revenue is going?
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38765 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

don't know where in the world the revenue is going?




COGS probably

In NJ seems hard for smaller places to compete on price due to rips

You will get liquor license? Also in NJ debt follows that license
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:56 pm to
I wouldn’t be interested because the margins are basically non-negotiable. Maybe add some bar business, lottery sales, and cigarettes it’s still a maybe.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
1650 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:35 am to
How long has current inventory been sitting. Could be 150k worth of shelf turds
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4462 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:52 am to
Horrible investment IMO. Asking almost 6x EBIDA? No thanks.

Going to take 5 years just to recoup your initial investment.
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1539 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:48 am to
I’d think their margin is somewhere between 18-25%. I know 24 packs are almost 50% markup. That said, on 900k rev you’re looking at 700-750k in COGS. I’d be interested in understanding more about the SG&A. Could be a glaring issue or cost that is driving the earnings down that is easily fixable.

If you have more details you could share without breaching a NDA, we can give more advice but based on this alone - no way I’d jump on that.
Posted by BayouBengal23
BR
Member since Mar 2019
569 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:52 pm to
I’ve thought about asking this question on here multiple times.

Why do all of these Indians open convenience stores? Do they know something we don’t? Why convenience stores? How do they learn American business so quickly and courageously?
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33659 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:59 pm to
Have you looked into all the red tape you may have to cut through to get a liquor license in your jurisdiction?
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72560 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:16 pm to
Posted by Im4datigers
Northern Virginia
Member since Oct 2003
4462 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:47 pm to
quote:

Why do all of these Indians open convenience stores? Do they know something we don’t? Why convenience stores? How do they learn American business so quickly and courageously?


Because half of them are a front for human trafficking, drugs etc etc. Convenience stores are a BSA nightmare for banks.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6411 posts
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:15 pm to
They get favorable ‘minority’ loans

They pool their money together

They only employ family members so overhead is low

If there is 5 of them they all work until they can get the next guy a store then the next guy then the next guy then when all of them have one store they start getting everybody a second store etc. it’s a cycle they will repeat as many times as they can.
Posted by Rendevoustavern
Member since May 2018
1539 posts
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:25 pm to
They are similar to McDonalds. They own the real estate and sell cokes, cigs, and gas to pay for it (similar to burgers and shakes). I know of one family in Texas that owns 55 or 56 locations. They run the convenience store as a way to pay for the real estate and a moderate income. Multiply that by 10-20-50 locations and now it’s law of big numbers.

They are also shroud negotiators and will not pay $1 more than they think they should and if they don’t want to they will walk and never talk to you again.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
1300 posts
Posted on 7/9/23 at 3:21 pm to
A notable poster on this board was an expert on convenience stores. IDK if he is currently banned or not.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
2519 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:30 pm to
There are a lot of factors to think about.

But I’ve been in the industry for 13 years and sold in three states.

I’ve seen five close
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26696 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

So the business breaks even give or take and the owner pays themself 50k? Did you miss a zero? That is a terrible idea given you have to be open 6 days a week and 8-10 hours.


Assuming the owner pays himself a salary, that would not be part of EBITDA. The EBITDA would be after salaries - including the owner's.

How much salary the owner is paying himself, or other family members, plus any other personal expenses ran through the business, is crucial to know to get an accurate picture.



Posted by masoncj
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2023
249 posts
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:54 pm to
Cyborg is right

If $50k retained earning is in addition to

(I am just going to throw a number out there)

$80-100k salary you are drawing from the gross revenue then yea maybe it is a good deal.

Me personally I am not moving one step closer until I see bank statement of deposit proving the $900k and inversely all records of liabilities of over at least the past three fiscal years …maybe longer due to Covid.



This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 1:58 pm
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