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Liquor store- good investment?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 8:40 pm
Hey guys.
There is a local wine and liquor store is up for sale in my area.
Would you consider this a good investment? The building is leased for $2000/mo.
Here are the details-
Asking Price: $285,000
Gross Revenue: $900,000
EBITDA: $50,000
FF&E: $40,000
Inventory: $150,000
There is a local wine and liquor store is up for sale in my area.
Would you consider this a good investment? The building is leased for $2000/mo.
Here are the details-
Asking Price: $285,000
Gross Revenue: $900,000
EBITDA: $50,000
FF&E: $40,000
Inventory: $150,000
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:01 pm to Random MsState Fan
Assuming inventory and FF&E are fair market value, you'll be paying 95K for the EBITA. 2X EBITDA is an attractive metric in just about any industry. If there is opportunity to cut expenses, or if current owner is running a lot of personal expenses that would cease, this could be a very attractive venture.
One recommendation I would like to offer is to require seller pay off all debt at closing or reduce cash payment by amount of debt assumption.
I strictly base this off the limited information provided so take it with a grain of salt.
One recommendation I would like to offer is to require seller pay off all debt at closing or reduce cash payment by amount of debt assumption.
I strictly base this off the limited information provided so take it with a grain of salt.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:09 pm to Random MsState Fan
quote:
EBITDA: $50,000
So the business breaks even give or take and the owner pays themself 50k? Did you miss a zero? That is a terrible idea given you have to be open 6 days a week and 8-10 hours.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:23 pm to Rendevoustavern
That’s kind of what I was thinking. You’re only making $50,000 and have all the risk.
I would not want to own any convenience store. Chance of armed robbery is high.
I would not want to own any convenience store. Chance of armed robbery is high.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:27 pm to Rendevoustavern
That is what threw me off! They only have 4 employees.
I don't know where in the world the revenue is going?
I don't know where in the world the revenue is going?
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:11 pm to Random MsState Fan
quote:
don't know where in the world the revenue is going?
COGS probably
In NJ seems hard for smaller places to compete on price due to rips
You will get liquor license? Also in NJ debt follows that license
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 10:56 pm to Random MsState Fan
I wouldn’t be interested because the margins are basically non-negotiable. Maybe add some bar business, lottery sales, and cigarettes it’s still a maybe.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:35 am to Motownsix
How long has current inventory been sitting. Could be 150k worth of shelf turds
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:52 am to LChama
Horrible investment IMO. Asking almost 6x EBIDA? No thanks.
Going to take 5 years just to recoup your initial investment.
Going to take 5 years just to recoup your initial investment.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 9:48 am to Random MsState Fan
I’d think their margin is somewhere between 18-25%. I know 24 packs are almost 50% markup. That said, on 900k rev you’re looking at 700-750k in COGS. I’d be interested in understanding more about the SG&A. Could be a glaring issue or cost that is driving the earnings down that is easily fixable.
If you have more details you could share without breaching a NDA, we can give more advice but based on this alone - no way I’d jump on that.
If you have more details you could share without breaching a NDA, we can give more advice but based on this alone - no way I’d jump on that.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:52 pm to Random MsState Fan
I’ve thought about asking this question on here multiple times.
Why do all of these Indians open convenience stores? Do they know something we don’t? Why convenience stores? How do they learn American business so quickly and courageously?
Why do all of these Indians open convenience stores? Do they know something we don’t? Why convenience stores? How do they learn American business so quickly and courageously?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 6:59 pm to Random MsState Fan
Have you looked into all the red tape you may have to cut through to get a liquor license in your jurisdiction?
Posted on 7/7/23 at 7:47 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:
Why do all of these Indians open convenience stores? Do they know something we don’t? Why convenience stores? How do they learn American business so quickly and courageously?
Because half of them are a front for human trafficking, drugs etc etc. Convenience stores are a BSA nightmare for banks.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 8:15 pm to BayouBengal23
They get favorable ‘minority’ loans
They pool their money together
They only employ family members so overhead is low
If there is 5 of them they all work until they can get the next guy a store then the next guy then the next guy then when all of them have one store they start getting everybody a second store etc. it’s a cycle they will repeat as many times as they can.
They pool their money together
They only employ family members so overhead is low
If there is 5 of them they all work until they can get the next guy a store then the next guy then the next guy then when all of them have one store they start getting everybody a second store etc. it’s a cycle they will repeat as many times as they can.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:25 pm to BayouBengal23
They are similar to McDonalds. They own the real estate and sell cokes, cigs, and gas to pay for it (similar to burgers and shakes). I know of one family in Texas that owns 55 or 56 locations. They run the convenience store as a way to pay for the real estate and a moderate income. Multiply that by 10-20-50 locations and now it’s law of big numbers.
They are also shroud negotiators and will not pay $1 more than they think they should and if they don’t want to they will walk and never talk to you again.
They are also shroud negotiators and will not pay $1 more than they think they should and if they don’t want to they will walk and never talk to you again.
Posted on 7/9/23 at 3:21 pm to Rendevoustavern
A notable poster on this board was an expert on convenience stores. IDK if he is currently banned or not.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:30 pm to Random MsState Fan
There are a lot of factors to think about.
But I’ve been in the industry for 13 years and sold in three states.
I’ve seen five close
But I’ve been in the industry for 13 years and sold in three states.
I’ve seen five close
Posted on 7/10/23 at 12:53 pm to Rendevoustavern
quote:
So the business breaks even give or take and the owner pays themself 50k? Did you miss a zero? That is a terrible idea given you have to be open 6 days a week and 8-10 hours.
Assuming the owner pays himself a salary, that would not be part of EBITDA. The EBITDA would be after salaries - including the owner's.
How much salary the owner is paying himself, or other family members, plus any other personal expenses ran through the business, is crucial to know to get an accurate picture.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 1:54 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Cyborg is right
If $50k retained earning is in addition to
(I am just going to throw a number out there)
$80-100k salary you are drawing from the gross revenue then yea maybe it is a good deal.
Me personally I am not moving one step closer until I see bank statement of deposit proving the $900k and inversely all records of liabilities of over at least the past three fiscal years …maybe longer due to Covid.
If $50k retained earning is in addition to
(I am just going to throw a number out there)
$80-100k salary you are drawing from the gross revenue then yea maybe it is a good deal.
Me personally I am not moving one step closer until I see bank statement of deposit proving the $900k and inversely all records of liabilities of over at least the past three fiscal years …maybe longer due to Covid.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 1:58 pm
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