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Interesting snippet of a conversation at the FDIC meeting, "There will be bail ins"
Posted on 12/31/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/31/22 at 9:52 am
FDIC Meeting
"Understand who is going to be protected, who isn't going to be protected"
Interesting
Population Problem
Also the WEF are finally being open and honest.
"Understand who is going to be protected, who isn't going to be protected"
Interesting
Population Problem
Also the WEF are finally being open and honest.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 7:59 am
Posted on 12/31/22 at 8:26 pm to GREENHEAD22
They are admitting that it’s about to be musical chairs time.
Buckle the f*ck up, it’s gonna get scary.
Buckle the f*ck up, it’s gonna get scary.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 10:37 pm to GREENHEAD22
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WEF are finally being open and honest. Population problems
Where's the bit about population problems? Link only has the first topic
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:48 am to GREENHEAD22
Nope, now we are missing the FDIC part.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 7:50 am to SloaneRanger
Should be good now.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 8:00 am
Posted on 1/1/23 at 8:25 am to GREENHEAD22
What is a “bail in”? I’m familiar with a bail out but trying to understand what they’re saying here.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:05 am to Shepherd88
Simply put. Your money is gone.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:12 am to Shepherd88
Thanks to the OP for posting this. It got me looking into "bail-ins". I'm no banker or financial pro so I my understanding is still pretty limited. I found this article on Investopedia that helped explain what this is and where it came from (link below). Simply put, new banking regulation that were passed after the Great Recession (2010) codified that governmental/taxpayer bailouts of large financial institutions would no longer occur and instead unsecured creditors and depositors would be required to "bail in" a failing bank that is "too big to fail". For depositors, their risk is deposit amounts over the 250K FDIC insured limit. I'm not sure what this means in practicality because if you are needing cash from a failed bank and waiting on the FDIC to pay out, you may be waiting for a long time. The thing that caught my eye was that "derivatives" are ahead in line of repayment in the event of a bail in. This is the same damn financial instrument that got all these institutions in trouble in 2008 and the total dollar amount in this sector looks to be so large that no one else would ever get paid back. I may not understand this fully so I'd love for someone more knowledgable to add to the thread. It is my understanding that during the 2008 financial crisis that the derivative and credit default swap market (bets and insurance polices on risky financial instruments done by bank and mortgage institutions) exceeded the entire global money supply. We are headed that way again. Freaking scary.
My take home from the article was: make sure your financial institution/bank is stable and not over leveraged in the mortgage/derivative market, watch changes in banking regulations. Wow, thanks for the help - not even a lot of smart people at the Fed or Wall Street saw the train coming last time. How is the average depositor at a bank supposed to know this? Bottom line - Wall St. and Banks get to gamble with your money and you are screwed when this doesn't work out because by the time you find out about it, it's too late.
LINK
My take home from the article was: make sure your financial institution/bank is stable and not over leveraged in the mortgage/derivative market, watch changes in banking regulations. Wow, thanks for the help - not even a lot of smart people at the Fed or Wall Street saw the train coming last time. How is the average depositor at a bank supposed to know this? Bottom line - Wall St. and Banks get to gamble with your money and you are screwed when this doesn't work out because by the time you find out about it, it's too late.
LINK
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:37 am to Uroblast
Yup, a bail-in is basically your money gets confiscated and go towards keeping the bank/financial institution solvent. Hence the part about who is protected and who isn't.
Great Reset inbound.
Great Reset inbound.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:53 am to GREENHEAD22
If that were to happen then it wouldn’t matter if you had cash buried in the backyard. The US dollar would virtually collapse.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:56 am to GREENHEAD22
So what accounts are “safe”? I prefer smaller local banks but is the risk greater? Are broker accounts like vanguard and Schwab “safer”? Where do people sitting on cash go like retirees?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:13 am to Shepherd88
I agree, I need the macro gurus, Russian/DocF, to comment but sadly they have disappeared.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:52 am to GREENHEAD22
Withdraw all your money and buy gold and post screen shots or gtfo.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:31 pm to Highthoughts
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Withdraw all your money and buy gold and post screen shots or gtfo.
I mean…..if bail-in’s are truly on the table it wouldn’t be a bad move. During times like these he who loses the least wins. Another option is simply diversifying your banking to places outside of the U.S. gov’s reach. Sure, there will also be risk with them but at least it’s not ALL gone if one of your banks goes belly up.
And of course there’s also crypto. If it wasn’t so damn volatile I’d say that this was exactly what they were built for, but during a true monetary confidence crisis I’d bet piles of scared money will flood into that space.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:37 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Yup, a bail-in is basically your money gets confiscated and go towards keeping the bank/financial institution solvent.
When converting deposits to equity, depositors (>250k) would receive shares of stock. They may not want stock and the market value may be low at first, but if the institution recovers depositors could do ok.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:45 pm to dat yat
And you think that is okay?
Also I see some people aren't a fan LSURussia, anyone know what's the latest with him? Did he pass?
Same with Doc Fenton
Also I see some people aren't a fan LSURussia, anyone know what's the latest with him? Did he pass?
Same with Doc Fenton
Posted on 1/1/23 at 10:14 pm to GREENHEAD22
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And you think that is okay?
Didnt say it was OK, just how I believe the new law works. Banks fail, fact of life sometimes. Do you bail them out with taxpayer money again? Let them fail? If they fail the deposits over 250k are a loss anyway. May as well recapitalize with that and try to save it without takpayer funds.
As mentioned earlier, if you must keep over $250k in deposit accounts spread it to other institutions.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:27 am to dat yat
Here’s what blows my mind and exposes how little I know about banking and money supply. The quotes below are from 2 different reference articles about Dodd Frank and the derivatives market. I just don’t understand how banks can use derivatives that are more than more than the US GDP. If derivatives values are based on the value of the underlying asset class then how did the value get that high? Leveraging? And if so, how could a “bail in” come close to being able to recapitalize in a 2008 style melt down? See reference quotes below. I need a big macroeconomics lesson.
“Unsecured creditors, depositors, and bondholders fall below derivative claims. Derivatives are investments that banks make among each other, which are supposed to be used to hedge their portfolios. However, the 25 largest banks hold more than $247 trillion in derivatives, which poses a tremendous amount of risk to the financial system. To avoid a potential calamity, the Dodd-Frank Act gives preference to derivative claims.“
“Money is also present in the form of investments and derivatives. This figure can even touch a quadrillion if we include all of them. It looks like this: $1,000,000,000,000,000. This amount even surpasses the total market capitalization of the U.S. stock market, which is $48,264,353.4 million, as of March 31, 2022. “
“Unsecured creditors, depositors, and bondholders fall below derivative claims. Derivatives are investments that banks make among each other, which are supposed to be used to hedge their portfolios. However, the 25 largest banks hold more than $247 trillion in derivatives, which poses a tremendous amount of risk to the financial system. To avoid a potential calamity, the Dodd-Frank Act gives preference to derivative claims.“
“Money is also present in the form of investments and derivatives. This figure can even touch a quadrillion if we include all of them. It looks like this: $1,000,000,000,000,000. This amount even surpasses the total market capitalization of the U.S. stock market, which is $48,264,353.4 million, as of March 31, 2022. “
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:24 am to Uroblast
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It is my understanding that during the 2008 financial crisis that the derivative and credit default swap market (bets and insurance polices on risky financial instruments done by bank and mortgage institutions) exceeded the entire global money supply
Funding markets froze, the notional amount of derivatives isn't really relevant. But you are right to a degree that there is not enough dollars to service dollar denominated debt.
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