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Insight, tips for evaluating 1099 job
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:17 pm
Trying to evaluate a potential job prospect that pays on a 1099 basis as far as comparable compensation. Have been W-2 for over 12 years and haven’t had to deal with this much so sorry if I seem like a complete dumbass.
So, it looks like generally the biggest differences are:
Withholding taxes - I would be be paying for both employee and employer’s portions.
Health insurance - paying for it myself unless under wife’s health insurance.
What other ways or details can I look at this?
So far it seems like one would need a notably higher pay under 1099 to “break even” with the net take home from a W-2 job. Or am I doing this all wrong?
TIA!
So, it looks like generally the biggest differences are:
Withholding taxes - I would be be paying for both employee and employer’s portions.
Health insurance - paying for it myself unless under wife’s health insurance.
What other ways or details can I look at this?
So far it seems like one would need a notably higher pay under 1099 to “break even” with the net take home from a W-2 job. Or am I doing this all wrong?
TIA!
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:20 pm to Havoc
it is pretty simple. You get no benefits. That is the difference. The amount of taxes you owe/pay will be based on how much you earn and that is it since there is no pre-tax benefit deductions.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:22 pm to notsince98
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pre-tax benefit deductions.
This isn't really true. Self employment Ira, premiums are deductible to you, etc, etc.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:36 pm to notsince98
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The amount of taxes you owe/pay will be based on how much you earn and that is it since there is no pre-tax benefit deductions.
This is not entirely accurate. If you're straight 1099(ie self-employed), it allows you to deduct legitimate expenses related to your work that you pay out of pocket. Liability insurance, office supplies, advertising, travel, some car expenses. Then the tax is based off you actual income after deducting these things.
Generally you do come out behind since you would be on the hook for employer taxes, health insurance, and you lose potential employer matching on retirement.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:56 pm to notsince98
bullshite. He can open a solo 401k or SEP IRA.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:01 pm to Havoc
I’ll give you a link when I’m home. Get a solo 401k. It is the best for a sole proprietor/1099. You can put away 20% employer profit sharing after business deductions on top of the normal 18,500 as an employee. You can use it to invest in
Many different options. You will be the plan admin and trustee. You call the shots.
You also can have many business deductions. Mileage. Vehicle deduction. All types of business related expenses.
Many different options. You will be the plan admin and trustee. You call the shots.
You also can have many business deductions. Mileage. Vehicle deduction. All types of business related expenses.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:26 pm to Havoc
1. Take 1099 job
2. Don’t file taxes
3. Profit
2. Don’t file taxes
3. Profit
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:32 pm to Fat Bastard
Does that still apply with the new tax changes? I am working contract for a company and inquired about writing off some of those expenses and was told that I wouldn't qualify anymore even though I work over 200 miles from my residence.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:34 pm to Tigahs2007
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Does that still apply with the new tax changes? I am working contract for a company and inquired about writing off some of those expenses and was told that I wouldn't qualify anymore even though I work over 200 miles from my residence
They're incorrect. Unremibursed business expenses have been eliminated as an itemized deduction. As a 1099 you would deduct on Schedule C as a business expense, not Schedule A as an itemized deduction subject to the AGI floor.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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This isn't really true. Self employment Ira, premiums are deductible to you, etc, etc.
It is true. Those are the same between W2 and 1099. They don't create any difference between options.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:46 pm to notsince98
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It is true. Those are the same between W2 and 1099. They don't create any difference between options.
So you're contending that you can deduct a SELF EMPLOYMENT IRA as well as things like supplies and your vehicle as a w2 employee?
Posted on 7/2/18 at 5:38 pm to Havoc
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Insight, tips for evaluating 1099 job
Spend the money to sit down with a tax professional/CPA to work this out for your situation.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 7/2/18 at 6:37 pm to notsince98
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The amount of taxes you owe/pay will be based on how much you earn and that is it since there is no pre-tax benefit deductions.
100% wrong about a 1099/independent contractor/sole proprietor. Go back to the cesspool aka OT. you are clueless.
This post was edited on 7/2/18 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/2/18 at 6:40 pm to Havoc
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Under the 2018 Solo 401(k) contribution rules, a plan participant under the age of 50 can make a maximum employee deferral contribution in the amount of $18,500. That amount can be made in pre-tax or after-tax (Roth). On the profit sharing side, the business can make a 25% (20% in the case of a sole proprietorship or single member LLC) profit sharing contribution up to a combined maximum, including the employee deferral, of $55,000. For plan participants over the age of 50, an individual can make a maximum employee deferral contribution in the amount of $24,500. That amount can be made in pre-tax or after-tax (Roth). On the profit sharing side, the business can make a 25% (20% in the case of a sole proprietorship or single member LLC) profit sharing contribution up to a combined maximum, including the employee deferral, of $61,000.
solo 401k
Posted on 7/2/18 at 7:23 pm to Havoc
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So far it seems like one would need a notably higher pay under 1099 to “break even” with the net take home from a W-2 job. Or am I doing this all wrong?
TIA!
you definitely want more contracting. yes.
you can make more or less it depends what you agree to.
Posted on 7/2/18 at 9:12 pm to Fat Bastard
I would be interested in how they characterize your employment as an independent contractor. Even money says they’re misclassifying the position itself as it should be considered a fulltime employee with a commission structure.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:42 am to GFunk
Posted on 7/3/18 at 7:11 am to makersmark1
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makersmark1
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There is a 20 question test to see if you are a “contractor” versus “employee”.
USDOL uses the, “three fold,” test. It’s much simpler obviously but similar. It is one of the single biggest issues facing taxing authorities for state workforce agencies. It really outsmart pressure on a segment of the lower end of your workforce.
Misclassifying employees increased their tax burden, gives them less actual employment security and robs state and local government of tax revenue. I understand that manpower is a huge issue and labor costs are always going to put pressure on Small and Medium sized businesses.
But the Law is the Law.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 7:11 am
Posted on 7/3/18 at 7:34 am to GFunk
Most of the employee versus contractor comes down to “control”.
Do you have regular hours required?
Does work occur at one site?
Do you have other customers?
Do you use company equipment or your own?
Training requirements? Yours or the companies?
Are you supervised?
Do you have regular hours required?
Does work occur at one site?
Do you have other customers?
Do you use company equipment or your own?
Training requirements? Yours or the companies?
Are you supervised?
Posted on 7/3/18 at 9:37 am to makersmark1
Here's a handy guide for a misclassified worker checklist/assessment:
Louisiana Workforce Commission - Missclassified Worker Assessment Tool
This shouldn't replace a review by your CPA-and potentially your attorney-to determine whether or not you should reclassify your 1099/contract employees.
But the last thing someone wants to do is get an audit from a Tax specialist with LWC's UI Tax Unit where they apply the three-fold test and determine you've misclassified 20 employees over the last two years and now have to pay up PLUS penalties and interest.
It's no bueno, I assure you.
ETA: The link isn't working, but if you copy and paste the URL into another version of your browser, it seems to work just fine? Not sure what the deal is.
I'm using Chrome, BTW.
Louisiana Workforce Commission - Missclassified Worker Assessment Tool
This shouldn't replace a review by your CPA-and potentially your attorney-to determine whether or not you should reclassify your 1099/contract employees.
But the last thing someone wants to do is get an audit from a Tax specialist with LWC's UI Tax Unit where they apply the three-fold test and determine you've misclassified 20 employees over the last two years and now have to pay up PLUS penalties and interest.
It's no bueno, I assure you.
ETA: The link isn't working, but if you copy and paste the URL into another version of your browser, it seems to work just fine? Not sure what the deal is.
I'm using Chrome, BTW.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 10:34 am
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