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re: Inflation hits 9.1%. Update: Wholesale 11.3%

Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:19 am to
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11881 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:19 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?


How much more investment into fuel and gas refining would a 300 bps hike create versus 100 bps?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32792 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:19 am to
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I’m sure it’s probable but that’s not happening.

Use your eyes
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Has nothing to do with the money supply so it can’t be inflation.

It does. Check the charts, there’s been rampant printing since 2009, and extreme printing since 2020. But all global currencies have experience inflation since 2020 due to heavy printing. The dollar is strong bc those other currencies are relatively weakened in comparison to the dollar - the dollar is still the standard and becoming even more so since the global belief is that the Fed will right the ship and the dollar will still be worthwhile even if other currencies are not
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10676 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:20 am to
Just keep saying it’s the peak. Eventually we’ll be right…
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7101 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:21 am to
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explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?


I would love to see them absolutely crash everything.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32792 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:27 am to
Everyone wants to believe it’s the peak, but we have zero evidence besides the drop in oil prices
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:27 am to
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I would love to see them absolutely crash everything.


No you don’t.

Even if you were 100% against the market, had puts on the 20 year and had a stash of gold, you don’t want everything to crash.

The problem is that our politicians are horrible money managers. Just image if you ran your household budget like the federal government runs their budget.

Also, we have way too many academics at the Fed and treasury. We need less PHDs in economics and more masters of finance and accounting.



This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 8:29 am
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:27 am to
Get ready for what happens when global markets come face to face with the Fed not being able to raise enough to combat inflation due to way too much debt and the market realizing inflation is here to stay.

The dollar will begin its crash and the bond market will implode.

Got gold?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91385 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:35 am to
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Get ready for what happens when global markets come face to face with the Fed not being able to raise enough to combat inflation due to way too much debt and the market realizing inflation is here to stay. The dollar will begin its crash and the bond market will implode. Got gold?


Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38426 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:36 am to
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but we have zero evidence besides the drop in oil prices


Look at other commodities.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91385 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:36 am to
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Everyone wants to believe it’s the peak, but we have zero evidence besides the drop in oil prices


Oil and virtually all major commodities. That’s not nothing.
Posted by Realityintheface
Member since May 2022
1784 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:39 am to
Anyone who thought this CPI was going to be lower had his head in the sand.

But with this crazy market, it’s hard to know how to invest. The economy is being jerked around by multiple events and policy decisions that fight one another for dominance on how the markets are affected accordingly. One pulls it up while another pushes it down. Hard to tell what the net result should be on markets as a whole much less certain sectors which have their own unique situations occurring.

Volatility is the result.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 8:40 am to
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Inflation hits 9.1%
If this is what it takes to purge the idiots from DC, then I'm all for it (as long as it tails off after November).
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4891 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:19 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp? Why all of these gradual half measures?


You ever been duck hunting and your hands get frozen? Do you then say frick it and stick them in boiling water?
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:25 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp? Why all of these gradual half measures?


You have just hit on my point in my previous post. They are taking baby steps until something breaks and the market realizes that the Fed is DONE. No more rate hikes then going forward but the inflation will be really out of control and we will see a bond sell off along with a dollar crash as all that worthless paper will flood our shores.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60781 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:25 am to
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Already priced into market or do we see a huge reaction…
I think we see a reaction. I feel the market is behind
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:29 am to
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I feel the market is behind


Exactly.

The market is still pricing in Fed hikes, hence the deflation in commodities and risk assets. Once the market has its WTF moment when theFed can no longer hike and inflation is out of control, look out!
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16100 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:47 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?


That would show panic.
Doing it in stages allows for other market conditions to come into play.
Let’s say they raise 50 basis points and then the next day A large historical event takes place that could quickly change the course of trade or oil flow or other material factor that could help lower inflation.

Doing it in stages allows for this to happen
Posted by Hussss
Helena, AL
Member since Oct 2016
7777 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 9:57 am to
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That would show panic.


Powell TALKS tough like Volker but ACTS soft like the Bernank.

Why folks still lend ANY credibility whatsoever to the Fed is beyond me. The pile of debt we are sitting on is nothing short of a supernova. Hitting a high enough hurdle rate of investment to combat inflation is COMPLETELY out of the cards. Jawboning is ALL they have left.

ETA: Market IS pricing my theory in starting today. Check the dollar and commodity reversals.
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 10:01 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:00 am to
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Excuse my ignorance but can someone explain to me why the Fed won’t just immediately hike rates 300bp?
Rate hikes won't fix supply chain issues actually responsible for the numbers. At best they are an indirect influence.

The Fed may be hoping that, given extra time, PotatoBrain's Administration will eventually do the right thing, and alter SC impediments. Otherwise, middle class home owners are set to be ruined financially in the bubble explosion Fed rate hikes will be used to orchestrate.
This post was edited on 7/13/22 at 10:03 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91385 posts
Posted on 7/13/22 at 10:01 am to
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Why folks still lend ANY credibility whatsoever to the Fed is beyond me. The pile of debt we are sitting on is nothing short of a supernova. Hitting a high enough hurdle rate of investment to combat inflation is COMPLETELY out of the cards. Jawboning is ALL they have left.


Because it’s all relative. Y’all act like the US is in a vacuum with its problems.
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