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re: How would you handle a nanny from a legal and accounting standpoint

Posted on 1/18/22 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
32321 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 4:15 pm to
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Bold move by the employee. Wouldn't they be on the hook for unpaid taxes as well?


that was my first thought. It is a mutual benefit to keep quiet I would think
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 4:21 pm to
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How would you handle a nanny






Very, very tenderly…
Posted by NCTigerFan
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2007
376 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:05 pm to
I've had the same full-time nanny for 12 years. I handle all the paperwork myself.

She filled out an I-9 at the beginning and I ran a background/driving check, etc.

I pay her biweekly -- personal check with a pay sheet showing her hours, pay rates (reg/OT/stipends) and withholdings. I wish I could just put her on salary because I pay her for 40 hours every week of the year regardless of whether she works or not (e.g., the 5 months she stayed home when COVID first hit) and she very rarely works OT.

For years, I did the mandatory FICA withholdings only. A while back, she gave me a W-4 and asked me to do the voluntary income tax withholdings (which I'm not required to do as a household employer). I agreed to do the federal withholding (because I can hold the withholding and pay it over with my own income taxes once a year) but not the NC state income tax withholding (because I would have had to start doing quarterly tax payments).

Once a quarter, I have to file a wage report with the state's employment commission and pay the unemployment insurance.

Each January, I file the W-3 and give her her W-2.

All the withheld taxes (FICA and income), plus my half of the FICA, plus federal unemployment tax (100% employer paid), all gets paid in April with our 1040. (I do use an accountant for the 1040, but not specifically because of the household employer schedule.)

I'm a lawyer and had zero desire to end up with any sort of nanny tax/ unemployment issue. My husband says that if anything happens to me, he's not dealing with any of this shite and will pay her cash under the table.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3679 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:52 pm to
I’m going through this now. Will probably end up paying a payroll service to handle the withholding, direct deposit, W2, etc. You pretty much have to do it legit if you want to claim it on your taxes or use a dependent care FSA. Have to weigh the payroll service costs and payroll taxes vs tax savings. Can save about $1200 for 2 kids with the tax credit, $2k using a FSA for one, or $2200 using FSA+Tax Credit for 2 kids LINK I imagine payroll taxes eats up a majority of the savings though.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:10 pm to
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Do you set up an LLC and pay her through the LLC so she can't sue you individually?


I did not do this.

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From an accounting standpoint how should this be set up?


There are several online services that are not as expensive as what my CPA would bill me. I settled on Savvynannypayroll. I like it so far. I set up an EIN before signing up, but they will walk you through it if you haven’t. I don’t think they offer any sort of referral bonus/discount/trial period.

I originally thought I would just turn on the payroll section of Quickbooks, but they actually don’t support the appropriate filing structure (schedule H)


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Should there be a contract in place?


We do not have one. It would not hurt to draw up an agreement and sign it. We agreed on a salary she’s a 60-something year old lady. She wouldn’t respond particularly well to an enumerated set of expectations. She wouldn’t say “no” to anything asked of her, and she knows we wouldn’t ask her to do anything outlandish or out of her comfort zone. We are very lucky and trusted her relatively early. Several others that were interviewed, I probably would have drawn up some form of expectations. I honestly don’t think we could get as lucky as we have again. I may be proven naïve later for not doing it, but we are happy and a year into it without any problems.


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Any recourse from just paying her cash with no paperwork or LLC in place?
only if you get caught.

In my reading, I found several opinions suggesting it is pretty well established that nannies are not contract/1099 employees. Both of you would be committing some sort of tax evasion by you not reporting you pay her and her not reporting that you pay her.


Our nanny suggested that most her former clients employed her through their businesses (which, in reading, also seems fairly shady).



Good luck. And also, congratulations for being in the position that this is necessary and an option.
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21443 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:08 pm to
You can pay either on or off the books. I will say paying on the books is a PITA and costs more in the long run.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5517 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:51 pm to
One word of caution - think about what car the nanny is using to drive your kids around and make sure there is liability insurance for an accident. If the nanny is driving your car make sure you understand and address any policy exclusions that could apply for an employee driving your car. If your full time nanny gets into a bad wreck while “on the clock” that is her fault, and she is driving her own car, and all you have is basic car insurance and home owners insurance . . . god speed to you and your assets.

Only you can get yourself comfortable with these scenarios. Most insurance agents and personal injury attorneys are in fact morons. Read your policies. Make sure you are covered.
Posted by 22jctiger22
Member since Apr 2013
497 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:09 am to
Really happy I’m past the nanny stage of my life. We paid a fortune for many years and did it above water. No LLC needed. I did all the payroll, withholding, quarterly payments, etc. myself. It isn’t hard to do. I would not recommend paying under the table.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25010 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:28 pm to
This thread has made me realize my family isn’t going to have a nanny
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5517 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 1:49 pm to
I think this would probably still be my answer even if covid never happened. But the nanny is the best money we’ve ever spent. Dear god it’s a fortune but for two working parents these past 24 months it’s been a lifeline.

Key is make sure the nanny will do some light house keeping to boot and is just a naturally tidy person.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25010 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:12 pm to
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I think this would probably still be my answer even if covid never happened. But the nanny is the best money we’ve ever spent. Dear god it’s a fortune but for two working parents these past 24 months it’s been a lifeline.


Need to have both parents earning a very good salary to consider this....not sure what the 'break even' point looks like. I guess both parents need to contribute 150K+ for the nanny discussion to be a real one.
Posted by TheWiz
Third World, LA
Member since Aug 2007
11865 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 2:22 pm to
Probably about right. A salaried nanny in New Orleans is about $40,000a year.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5517 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:06 pm to
Ours is a bit cheaper, but yea it’s a luxury for sure. However if it is in lieu of the cost of one day care tuition (and all the additional sitters you need during facility breaks and holidays) it’s not as outrageous. If it’s in lieu of two day cares then the math starts to almost be a wash.

Interestingly when we hired a nanny it was for a 3 month old and I said my biggest concern is nannys get sick, quit, don’t show up, etc., but the brick and mortar day care is always open! This debate was going in our household January 2020. You just never know what is to come.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38421 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 5:23 pm to
You can ship in a nanny from a 3rd world country and they will work their arse off. Cooking, cleaning, etc.

There are special programs for this, all legal.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
4962 posts
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:06 pm to
Yep my boss did this, basically exchange students .

Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25110 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:35 am to
I don't know about all the tax and accounting side of this, but thought I'd mention since nobody has in the replies so far...

Check with your homeowner insurance agent about this too. Many homeowner companies won't insure homes that have full-time residence employees due to the liability concerns with having a full-time employee working at your property all the time. You could get dropped it they found out or have an exclusion that results in a denial of claim if the nanny had an accident at your house. I'm sure that some specialty carriers who cater to very high end clientele would allow it, but most of the carriers that cater to us peasants don't. Just an extra thing for you to check in to.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:54 am to
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because health insurance


The OP does not have to offer health insurance.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:26 am to
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And let's not forgot worker's comp.


Not in Louisiana. Domestic employees are exempt from Workers comp. Other states have a minimum number of employees before a policy is required.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32719 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:43 am to
quote:

Ours is a bit cheaper, but yea it’s a luxury for sure. However if it is in lieu of the cost of one day care tuition (and all the additional sitters you need during facility breaks and holidays) it’s not as outrageous. If it’s in lieu of two day cares then the math starts to almost be a wash. Interestingly when we hired a nanny it was for a 3 month old and I said my biggest concern is nannys get sick, quit, don’t show up, etc., but the brick and mortar day care is always open! This debate was going in our household January 2020. You just never know what is to come.

How much are you paying? Daycares are always closing lately with Covid and all
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85907 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 12:17 pm to
Our household has two attorneys and we

- Went through an agency

- Did not start an LLC

- Use a third party for payroll and taxes

-Have a contract (though it's of minimal value IMO)
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