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How to start a EV charging business (think gas station, but for EVs)?

Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:07 am
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:07 am
I'm looking for ways to diversify my income stream and in thinking about small businesses to start, I keep coming back to EVs. While their share of new cars sold might be small now, it is only going to go up in the next 10-20 years. So it may not be a bad idea to start now and work out the kinks in the business model before a majority of car sales are EVs and they will all need a way to charge on the go, just like gas cars of today.

So anybody know where or how one would think about starting a business like this? I want the business to look just like a gas station, but will be purely for EVs. Does Electrify America or EvGo or Chargepoint have a franchise model one could sign up for?
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52967 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:09 am to
This ev thing is just a fad

Not saying you can’t make money now but I would be careful
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6097 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:11 am to
If one were to be forward thinking I would either do something similar to a buccees and put the stores at locations between major cities.

Or I would find shopping centers/strip malls that have a few restaurants and shopping stores and see what it would take to get a charger there.

However much like gas stations don't think there's much of a profit in the "fuel" sales, so would either need to be the owner of the business, come up with a membership model, or find a way to convince the business owners to subsidize the cost based on the potential increased volume of customers.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11703 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:27 am to
First, buy a lot of tiny tread mills. Then cages. Then gerbils.

Next, attach generators to the tread mills and put the gerbils on the tread mills. Sit back and collect cash.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37702 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:29 am to
How are you going to compete with gas station owners who just install EV charging stations?

They already own the best real estate for EVs.

Not only that, if the growth is what you think it is, everyone will turn into a "gas station". You are already seeing all new hotels have free EV charging spots. It won't be long before Target, Walmart, etc start putting them in.

Not a great risk to reward trade off in my opinion.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:46 am to
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How are you going to compete with gas station owners who just install EV charging stations?

They already own the best real estate for EVs.

I don't know that there is really enough free space at most gas stations for EVs unless they start decommissioning their pumps
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
13623 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:48 am to
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I want the business to look just like a gas station, but will be purely for EVs. Does Electrify America or EvGo or Chargepoint have a franchise model one could sign up for?


One of the problems with the convenience store model for EVs is that it is not convenient to charge them. EVs don’t charge the same way people fill their vehicles with gas. One takes about two-three minutes. One takes 30 minutes to hours. So, you can run 100s of cars through eight lane filling stations with gas over an hour, whereas you will run eight-16 EVs through the charging stations. You are going to need to find a way to up the volume if that is your plan. You are also goi g to have to compete with subsidized charging stations. The faster chargers are much more expensive and going to cost between $65-$100k each, so 10-20 bay charging station stores is going to be cost prohibitive.

The technology is going to have to improve drastically, and it will, before that model is profitable. In the meantime, multitasking for travelers is going to be necessary. Restaurants, gyms, or some other function.

Car towing businesses, portable electronic chargers for people that lost battery power on the road and battery refurbishing shops are all businesses rhat will have a need.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:13 am to
I would argue that as we progress further into welfare statehood and cheap credit goes extinct we’re gonna be looking more like France where everybody drives a 20 year old car

Not to mention our electrical grid will never be able to handle widespread adoption because the government will never allow another nuclear plant to be built and they’re trying to kill off coal plants. And natural gas is being throttled with esg and government regulation

You can catch me in the mad max f350 with the bull horns on the grill after the nukes fall baw
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 8:14 am
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4685 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:35 am to
quote:

this? I want the business to look just like a gas station, but will be purely for EVs.

I don’t think you’ll make any money directly off of EV charging, and I don’t see people hanging out at gas stations while their cars charge. I would think the best way would be a strip mall concept where the parking lot is basically a ton of EV chargers, then you lease out storefronts. I could see that being attractive to store owners having a captive audience for 30 min to 1 hour. That would require a lot more capital than a gas station though, lol
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16367 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:52 am to
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I don't know that there is really enough free space at most gas stations for EVs unless they start decommissioning their pumps

They should be able to line them up on the outsides of the parking lots (car washes, vacuum, compressed air...), and/or in parking spaces closer to the doors.
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
3032 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 11:32 am to
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
10650 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:35 pm to
You’re gonna be screwed when they inevitably move to hydrogen fuel cells to power all the EVs vs electricity to charge the batteries via charging stations.

Toyota is all in on hydrogen vs plug in EVs
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
3563 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 12:45 pm to
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You’re gonna be screwed when they inevitably move to hydrogen fuel cells to power all the EVs vs electricity to charge the batteries via charging stations.

Toyota is all in on hydrogen vs plug in EVs



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Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
9590 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:29 pm to
Partner up with an established entity along the major instates: Burger King, Taco Bell, etc..

When they stop to charge for 45-60 min, they will eat.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21888 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

I don't know that there is really enough free space at most gas stations for EVs unless they start decommissioning their pumps
Most gas stations would have practically zero demand for an EV charging station. People who are just commuting around town are going to recharge their vehicle when they're parked at home. Unless your gas station is right off an interstate exit, it doesn't make any sense to put in spaces to charge EV's because hardly anybody is going to ever use it.

Only real demand for public charging stations will be gas stations and truck stops along the interstate for EV drivers traveling out of town.
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:08 pm to
Monetizing EV and ancillary streams of cash are the trick. Many companies are building for scale now. EV business is a money destroyer right now.
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3080 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

I don’t think you’ll make any money directly off of EV charging, and I don’t see people hanging out at gas stations while their cars charge. I would think the best way would be a strip mall concept where the parking lot is basically a ton of EV chargers, then you lease out storefronts. I could see that being attractive to store owners having a captive audience for 30 min to 1 hour. That would require a lot more capital than a gas station though, lol


I think you're right about that, but the problem is that many of these charging stations will end up on interstate exits where the cost of land will be prohibitive to developing a shopping center. There is a Tesla supercharging station 2 miles from my house and the only thing nearby is a convenience store and a liquor store. Everyday I see Tesla owners standing around that parking lot with nothing to do.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
9590 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:36 pm to
In Baton Rouge, Tesla has a charging station behind Trader Joe’s and a 2nd location being built on Highland/I10 behind a CircleK/Church’s Chicken.

Plenty of things in those areas to do.

I believe a 3rd may go up in Gonzales/Prairieville.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7901 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 3:41 pm to
[quote]Toyota is all in on hydrogen/quote]

So was the hindenburg
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:19 pm to
Charge points can and will be installed at groceries, coffee shops, libraries, even massage parlors.

Low barriers to entry. Better think through your CVP.
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