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re: How much bloodletting is still left in this market correction?

Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:03 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:03 pm to
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Guys, I want to take this thread on a different tangent. We owe a large tax bill next year due to capital gains from sellling stocks elsewhere. Is there anyway I can use part of the $15K loss from Vanguard to offset those gains?
I’m surprised you could have so much money in a taxable account and aren’t unaware of harvesting losses, or at least don’t work with someone who could offer advice given the potential tax implications.

But yes you’re able to offset gains with losses. Although the losses will be applied to the comparable gain first (e.g., short, long term gains). And if there are any losses remaining, if you’re filing jointly, you can deduct up to $3000 in income taxes as well, and/or carry over losses to other year.

But can also harvest losses without the least subtle brag I’ve seen on here. So to make the brag worthwhile, I would recommend seeking professional advice given how much is in play.

Edit: And usually harvesting losses isn’t meant to stay out of the market after selling. In fact, usually the recommendation is to immediately buy a similar asset, without being too similar that it’s considered a wash sale. That being said, if 90% of your portfolio was VGT, and if my poor self was in your shoes, I would go a little broader and more diversified to limit risk with less volatility in a volatile market. Although I’m basing that on the 10 year performance, which still has high risk-adjusted returns but doesn’t include the last major crash.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Mud_Till_May
Member since Aug 2014
9685 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 10:18 pm to
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We have ~1500 shares of VGT and ~200 shares of VTI. VGT is down $18 and VTI is down $10 since Thursday. You do the math.

ETA: Okay with all recent losses offsetting the gains I've had in the past, looks like I'm at a net $15K in unrealized losses.





Honey, I just lost 15,675.37 dollars by betting on red. Now, I can get my 15 thousand back but I must invest the other 15,000 dollars that We have left over in savings. I know we were planning to use it as a deposit for our dream home and it took 10 years to save up but I think this will work. I talked to some guys on tigerdroppings and they told me to do it.



What do you mean you cant sign into our Edward Jones Account?
Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1321 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 11:42 pm to
Thank you for the detailed response. I am planning to call my tax guy tomorrow and work with him. Also I was not trying to brag in any way. You can check my post from July where I asked a question about where to park our downpayment money. Too bad I didn't take Lynxcat's advice then and put it all in some CDs. Also, didn't LSURussian once reveal here that his day trading account had $600K in it? Now that's a true baller who has the right to brag.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 10/10/18 at 11:54 pm to
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Also I was not trying to brag in any way.
I probably only said that because I don’t have something like that to brag about. You lost more far more in one day in one fund your taxable accounts to PARTIALLY offers gains no longer in your account, than I have invested in my taxable accounts combined.

I wish I could be at a point where bragging could even be a consideration instead of envious of those at that point.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3380 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 9:26 am to
Given your location, do you work in an IT-related field? If so, that’s an interesting choice to concentrate this chunk in an IT index.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2821 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 11:08 am to
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What are the chances the market makes up the losses by the end of the year and I get away with it?


I think the chances are very good the market will be higher by years end. Possibly quite higher. That said, very short term money should not be put at risk in the equity market. Particularly if you have a business partner and that business partner is your wife.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50342 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 12:23 pm to
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Google Tax loss harvesting.




or CPA's..
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39578 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:51 pm to
Sure. Should always educate yourself before meeting a professional.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 1:58 pm to
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 parked most of our downpayment savings for our next home in VGT and VTI. I'm down $30K since Thursday. Wife is going to be mad when she logs into our Vanguard account and sees that I invested the money in VGT and VTI instead of leaving it in the money market account. What are the chances the market makes up the losses by the end of the year and I get away with it?


thanks for laughs.

I'd buy into a few marijuana companies. One jets up, saves your bacon.
I disagree with hoping it recovers.
This can go on for months.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 2:02 pm to
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thanks for laughs.


You would think this is funny, douche.

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I'd buy into a few marijuana companies. One jets up, saves your bacon.


Now that is funny.


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I disagree with hoping it recovers.
This can go on for months.


Opinions vary.

Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11585 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 5:16 pm to
I haven't lost what OP has, but I'm down about $1,200 on LAM right now. Bought in at $172.88. I know the tariffs are hitting it and the tech sector as a whole pretty bad. Earnings are coming up on the 16th. Any chance it jumps back up at that point?
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 12:06 pm to
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What are the chances the market makes up the losses by the end of the year and I get away with it?


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Wife is going to be mad


Enjoy the couch.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 12:20 pm to
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What are the chances the market makes up the losses by the end of the year and I get away with it?


Very good in my opinion.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 6:46 am to
Don't fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy. You made a very risky decision and it bit you in the behind. Trying to go double or nothing is a gamblers mentality... Don't gamble with money you can't loose.

If you want some stock exposure with this, go with something like a 70:30 mix of short term US government bond fund and US index fund.

And tell your wife what you did. $15k loss with your incomes is a blip... Learn your lesson and move on.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 7:43 am to
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Very good in my opinion.
I'm not sure how you can make this claim. End of the year is in two months. It's hard to predict the market in the short term,which is the mistake the OP made in the first place.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:58 am to
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I'm not sure how you can make this claim


He asked for opinions and I gave mine

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End of the year is in two months.


2.5 actually, but that doesn't change my mind.

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It's hard to predict the market in the short term


No doubt, but 4 quarter returns in the Nasdaq are typically very good.

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,which is the mistake the OP made in the first place.


You finally got something correct.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:31 am to
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2.5 actually,
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but 4 quarter returns in the S&P 500 are typically very good.
Well then too bad he doesn't have a quarter, mister technically.

And I'm not sure, you looked at his screenshot but his (much) bigger investment is VGT, not VTI.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:51 am to
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you looked at his screenshot but his (much) bigger investment is VGT, not VTI.



Ok. I changed it to the Nasdaq which also historically have had solid 4 quarter results.
This post was edited on 10/16/18 at 9:52 am
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:47 am to
Q3 earnings are coming out this week and are rumored to be great (the Dow is up +300 since open, so the rumors may be true).
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