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re: HOA fees for neighborhood

Posted on 8/8/14 at 3:30 pm to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84975 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 3:30 pm to
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Why would you risk a lien on your property for this?


I've always wondered how in the hell an HOA has the right to put a lien on your property

Their names are neither on the mortgage or property tax rolls, so where do they get the authority?
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14788 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 3:49 pm to
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I live in a neighborhood where the HOA fees are 600/yr, but this neighborhood the houses range from 450k-700k. A friend of mine lives in a smaller neighborhood where the houses range from 175k-200k and they are wanting to start up the HOA and have the yearly dues at $600. I think that is absurd, what would be a fair yearly due for a neighborhood in that price range with about 82 lots in it. They are saying these fees are for cutting the grass around two small pounds and water treatment and also liability insurance for the committee and trying to get a management company to run this small neighborhood....


Sounds like you are talking about Hoo Shoo Too lakes.

the problem is there are only 82 lots in there so the costs of dividing the yearly costs go to those 82 lots

There is a lot a property in the neighborhood that requires mowing, and liability insurance coverage. that's what is killing you on your HoA portion

lakes in the front and back, and a number of lots with no houses because of the pipeline running through it.

@ $600/person per year, that $49,000 in yearly fees.

I know they took a number of quotes for grounds maintenance and for insurance. It is what it is i guess





This post was edited on 8/8/14 at 4:00 pm
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5578 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 4:01 pm to
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A friend of mine lives in a smaller neighborhood where the houses range from 175k-200k and they are wanting to start up the HOA and have the yearly dues at $600. I think that is absurd, what would be a fair yearly due for a neighborhood in that price range with about 82 lots in it. They are saying these fees are for cutting the grass around two small pounds and water treatment and also liability insurance for the committee and trying to get a management company to run this small neighborhood....


That money doesn't stretch as far as you'd think. To be honest, I wish my subdivision (100 lots) would have a management company take over b/c no one wants to be on the board or architectural committee. However the the residents sure love bitch about them. In a small neighborhood you have a hard time finding competent people willing to serve. After a few years the few decent board members will get fed up with the assholes in the neighborhood and quit. I've seen it more than once.
Posted by TigerSaint1
Member since Apr 2014
1479 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 4:22 pm to
What neighborhood is this?
Posted by euphemus
Member since Mar 2014
560 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 4:29 pm to
You guys have no idea how good you have it. I live in a $600K condo in the SF Bay Area, and our HOA dues are $350/month. That's right. Per month. It covers land scaping, outside paint and water charges for the community. We don't have a common pool or even a gym. :FML:
Posted by TigerSaint1
Member since Apr 2014
1479 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 4:36 pm to
Yea this is where he lives, the problem is the Management company. This neighborhood is too small to require one. And he has told me how many lots there are that requires mowing because of the pipelines and it's not that many. He said they were saying it would cost 20k/year to maintain the lots, ponds, etc and that would only be that high if it came from a big landscaping company who didn't want the work and threw a high figure out there just so either they would make a high profit off the job or didn't want the small job anyway. I was also told that a third bid was thrown out and never shown, I can promise you it is because it was a lot lower that the other two because it was a smaller company. But as long as they are licensed and insured and do a good job, what does it matter? I can guarantee you if the committee sticks with this high number it will never pass and they will be spinning their wheels getting nowhere. Hopefully they are just throwing a high number out there and understand they will have to start there and go down.
Posted by TigerSaint1
Member since Apr 2014
1479 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 4:38 pm to
All condos are like this because when you own a condo you own just the inside and not the outside. That's why they require so much maintenance and landscaping, thus having a higher monthly fee.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117514 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 5:16 pm to
The average home on my street is worth 500K. We don't have an HOA. We pay no fees. We take care of our own shite.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
84975 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 6:27 pm to
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All condos are like this because when you own a condo you own just the inside and not the outside


Exactly, so back to my question, how does the HOA have ANY standing whatsoever for a home in which you own the land and are the official owner on the tax logs for the property?

Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82193 posts
Posted on 8/8/14 at 9:08 pm to
Depends on the size of the neighborhood. We live in a very small brand new sub division with ~50 homes. $140-180K price range starter homes. HOA dues are $360/year. It we had 100 homes, we would be paying $180/yr
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 7:19 am to
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Depends on the size of the neighborhood. We live in a very small brand new sub division with ~50 homes. $140-180K price range starter homes. HOA dues are $360/year. It we had 100 homes, we would be paying $180/yr


Plus if brand new you need to properly fund the HOA. If you guys have taken over the HOA and know the numbers and have a reserve, get the hood together to lower what you pay
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
17194 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 11:09 am to
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Their names are neither on the mortgage or property tax rolls, so where do they get the authority?


I would assume its similar to a workman's lien. A workman's name is on neither but he has the right to lien for unpaid bills.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14788 posts
Posted on 8/9/14 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Yea this is where he lives, the problem is the Management company. This neighborhood is too small to require one. And he has told me how many lots there are that requires mowing because of the pipelines and it's not that many. He said they were saying it would cost 20k/year to maintain the lots, ponds, etc and that would only be that high if it came from a big landscaping company who didn't want the work and threw a high figure out there just so either they would make a high profit off the job or didn't want the small job anyway. I was also told that a third bid was thrown out and never shown, I can promise you it is because it was a lot lower that the other two because it was a smaller company. But as long as they are licensed and insured and do a good job, what does it matter? I can guarantee you if the committee sticks with this high number it will never pass and they will be spinning their wheels getting nowhere. Hopefully they are just throwing a high number out there and understand they will have to start there and go down.



i have been following the HOA process in this subdivision, because i an one over in Mallard Crossing, and until the last lot is sold the builder wont turn over to start the HOA

I also know that the guy running the HOA start-up is putting in a lot of time getting things set up and is mowing the common areas himself until the process gets set up. The management company IMO is not a bad option, as they would know what they are doing.

Like some of the other posted said, no one likes the HOA, and because of people complaining, they usually lose the good people running it. having a management company do it, puts the complaints at a company and not at the other residents

i wouldnt want that job
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:23 pm to
My brother in Louisiana is on the board after they got rid of the Mgt Company. Was paying 500 yr and now paying $350.

In the Jackson area, we pay 900 annually. The Mgt Company's biggest work item is chasing downing homeowners who object to the outrageous fees. In essence the Mgt Company is a debt collector
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:03 am to
I pay $60/mo, which includes a pool, clubhouse, playground, and maintenance of common landscaping, three lakes, etc. I feel as though I get pretty good value for the money: having a backyard pool maintained would cost me more than $60/mo. But the developers still subsidize the HOA to the tune of many thousands, as the neighborhood is still developing.

HOAs are tricky--too many malcontents who shouldn't have purchased highly restricted/covenanted property can make the meetings unpleasant. Others who can't/won't understand the governance are also a problem.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5578 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:18 am to
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Exactly, so back to my question, how does the HOA have ANY standing whatsoever for a home in which you own the land and are the official owner on the tax logs for the property?



Most HOAs establish covenants and restrictions prior to any property being sold. Therefore the restrictions are conveyed to the homeowners when they purchase the lot/house in the subdivision. The restrictions grant the HOA the power to assess dues, fines, etc and use liens to collect if necessary. There are state laws that limit the power of an HOA, but i think it's pretty standard that liens are allowed.

In most states (including louisiana) there are also statutes that outline how a HOA can be formed after the fact.

LOUISIANA HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ACT
Posted by joeleblanc
Member since Jan 2012
4114 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 9:57 pm to
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Mine are $180 per year and houses range from $300,000-$1 million. It only pays for upkeep of the entrance, power for the street lights, and a few other things that I forget. Big neighborhood though.

How much can it cost to plant flowers and mulch year round for an entrance? Why doesn't the municipality provide power to the subdivision? Nice having to pay for a pond that gets no use out of it. Just wondering..Not flaming...also, no HOA..take care of our own yards...crazy shite huh?
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54685 posts
Posted on 8/11/14 at 10:45 pm to
Damn we pay 200 a year. Don't have anything like a clubhouse. Basically all money goes to upkeep that's it
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