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re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?

Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by GeneralLee
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:14 pm to
Nice recovery here to the ~$11.50ish range.
Posted by JustForThisThread
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 1:14 pm to
Gave you an upvote Pendulum. I'm holding 3139 @ 3.63 that from the start I decided this is a loooooooong hold. I think we need slightly pessimistic outlooks like this to keep us all grounded. Just looking at what this stock has done the past 6 months to a year we should all be thrilled. And like many have said there have been plenty of big waves along the way and maybe we are due for another. Too many are getting caught up in the day to day. I have been wanting to add along the way but keep holding bc too many times I've rushed and panic bought not wanting to get left behind and end up regretting it. Now hopefully I regret not buying now as this is the new low but if it does dip like you are saying I'll be waiting to buy also.

Recently put another 3K into my brokerage account ready on hand. I'm considering adding some Ford, DKNG, PENN, or PTLO (No thread hijack but would love others thoughts on any of those). But if we do get an SLI dip under $10 all 3K will be buying more!

Let's stay the course fellas.
Posted by TigerDoug
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:52 pm to
Forgive me if I missed this but what happened on the call today?

Or does anyone know?
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:56 pm to
I was only able to listen to the first 2025 minutes of the car but bluntly it’s as if the joint venture doesn’t exist. There has been zero discussion in any shape or form in either of these calls related to it. There’talk of deleveraging probably concerns me the most but I’m still a long term raging bowl on SLI
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:59 pm to
Does delev mean stock dilution?
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 2:59 pm to
From report:
quote:

Acquisition of IFF Microbial Control business announced

This was supposed to be SLI JV
quote:

Sustainably produced cyclohexane supplied to LANXESS production site in Antwerp starting in the fourth quarter of 2021

They misspelled lithium
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 3:01 pm to
The deleveraging relates to lanxess - and given under the jv they need to pony up capex of 300-400 million it seems contradictory.


Hopefully they’re being coy or I’m reading too much into it.

Now if SLI go to loan for some reason - There will absolutely be dilution to fund - Not that I think that’s a bad thing necessarily
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Acquisition of IFF Microbial Control business announced


This was supposed to be SLI JV


Yeah this pisses me off a lot, I think they destroyed a lot of Lanxess shareholder value doing the IFF deal before the SLI JV. Seems like the JV would've increased the ROI a ton for them on an asset they already own, along with hitting an ESG homerun. The IFF deal just seems like relatively generic growth.
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Ballstein32
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 3:42 pm to
Not to mention the closure on Aug 3rd of Emerald Kalama Chemical. They spread themselves out too thin this year.

Do you think the JV is now gonna happen in Q1 of '22 or even later now? Or could they still surprise us and announce it in December?
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

I was only able to listen to the first 2025 minutes of the car but bluntly it’s as if the joint venture doesn’t exist. There has been zero discussion in any shape or form in either of these calls related to it. There’talk of deleveraging probably concerns me the most but I’m still a long term raging bowl on SLI


...and to think I swapped 650,000 shares of LVVV for 1,000 shares of SLI.
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 3:59 pm to
So it is going to be a frustrating window for the impatient.... is Lanxess playing dumb or are we on a different trajectory. And how soon will we know either way
This post was edited on 11/5/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted by Vanilla Ice
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 4:46 pm to
I’m fricking melting
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:09 pm to
What was the source of the JV information? I haven’t followed the entire thread.
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

What was the source of the JV information? I haven’t followed the entire thread.


When you say source of JV, what do you mean?

The JV agreements were signed in 2018/2019 and have been discussed by the Company moving forward.

In May 2021 I believe there was notation that there were two issues with the process technology that needed to be fixed. Then we knew per the agreement we needed 3 months of plant production which may have started as late as September.

The JV agreement is real, it is the Final Investment Decision that we are waiting on.
Posted by igoringa
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:17 pm to
Also keep in mind us on this board may have psyched ourselves out more then the rest of the shareholder base.

Based upon various tidbits from very solid people, we really began to convince ourselves that this earnings window was going to be the announcement time. That is us, not SLI. SLI last public sound bite was final investment decision sometime this year.

And as we know by the PEA of Tetra that can slip.

So I am in a bit of flux with Lanxess - listening to those calls I find it hard to believe they are going to lock in to 300-400 million in capex right now. That was not the tone and messaging to the analysts. In fact, they added a slide today to further explain future cash flow to appease investors.

So that is concerning. If the tech works, then this is all sands in the wind of time... but it was not how I wanted to start the weekend. lol
Posted by CecilShortsHisPants
One Foty Fo uh uh Magnolia Screet
Member since Oct 2012
3374 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:19 pm to
November 2018:

quote:

Standard Lithium and global specialty chemical company Lanxess AG have signed both a binding Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) and a general Joint Venture (JV) term sheet agreement for a contemplated commercial production of battery-grade lithium compounds from brine extracted from the Smackover Formation in south Arkansas.
Posted by jimjackandjose
Member since Jun 2011
6631 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:39 pm to
SLI has back up plans by now.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13877 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:49 pm to
What do you think those are? Perhaps what the trip to London to meet investors was about?
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/5/21 at 5:57 pm to
quote:

Yeah this pisses me off a lot, I think they destroyed a lot of Lanxess shareholder value doing the IFF deal before the SLI JV. Seems like the JV would've increased the ROI a ton for them on an asset they already own, along with hitting an ESG homerun. The IFF deal just seems like relatively generic growth.


This. Lanxess expended capital on two recent acquisitions. Dragging feet on JV. Work still progressing but I'm afraid the timelines will be drug out further than we'd like. Lanxess is too cheap to keep spending money on a project that they aren't interested in. I don't think the deal is off and I think SLI has proven to them that the technology works. I just don't think they are willing to spend $475million to get things up to speed as fast as SLI and their investors would like. This probably slows development of Tetra project as well. I'm still a bull long term. Not sure what the short term holds. Anxious to see if SLI updates us or mentions anything during earnings report.

Would explain his fundraising tour around Europe. May see shelf offering come into play.

Lanxess is sitting on a fricking goldmine. Financially and from a PR standing with clean, green lithium. I think Lanxess is fine waiting until the market for lithium is bigger and prices potentially higher.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
28919 posts
Posted on 11/5/21 at 6:06 pm to
quote:

Based upon various tidbits from very solid people, we really began to convince ourselves that this earnings window was going to be the announcement time. That is us, not SLI. SLI last public sound bite was final investment decision sometime this year.


True. But that appears to not be the case. That was speculation and nothing released by SLI and some hoping.

quote:

So I am in a bit of flux with Lanxess - listening to those calls I find it hard to believe they are going to lock in to 300-400 million in capex right now. That was not the tone and messaging to the analysts. In fact, they added a slide today to further explain future cash flow to appease investors.

Agreed. But we may see something modified where it's done in stages on a smaller scale to start with. Although disappointing, it would be further proof that they believe the the tech works, they are just not wanting to expend the capital right now. They are too risk averse.

The wildcard may be the shelf offering and other interested partners. SLI needs money to proceed. Lanxess needs SLI's tech.
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