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Can someone dumb down and explain TRSL and Louisiana employee's retirement options?

Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:16 am
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7492 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:16 am
My wife is a paraprofessional for a Louisiana school. What is the best option (are there options) for her retirement? She's 30 years away.

I don't understand it. I know 401k and ira
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18920 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:45 am to
1)TRSL is not optional. They take 8% of every paycheck.
This will be paid out as a pension after retirement. It sucks for people who actually know what the hell they're doing because I'm pretty sure I would be better off throwing that 8% into the overall market for 30 years. But, most people are unbelievably irresponsible so we need the government to protect us all. I digress.

2) The other option is a 403b, which is essentially a 401k for teachers and other public workers. I've never looked into it because I contribute to a Roth IRA, HSA, and 8% to TRSL....so I don't really have enough money left to contribute to a taxable 403b.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51614 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 11:47 am to
Best option for her is to either call Civil Service or talk to her HR Benefits person.

I know State Police and teachers have a different system than the rest of us.
Posted by TheRustyShackleford
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2017
132 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:10 pm to
TRSL- Teachers Retirement System of Louisiana (I am not sure your wife would qualify, but since she works in a school, she may)

LASERS (Louisiana State Employee Retirement System)- You are put in a plan based on your profession and the year entered, you don't have options to choose from. Other than the DROP feature.

There is another for Police, not sure the name. Just Google both TRSL and LASERS, I am sure you will find more than enough info. They have classes that explain everything to you as well. Your wife and you should attend. I believe it also effects your Social Security benefit, so like Scar says in Lion King...... Be Prepared
Posted by Gator feather
Member since Jan 2017
14 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:20 pm to
LINK

TRSL webite has lots of information that is easy to understand.
I assume your wife works for a elementary/secondary school system. If so I believe the regular pension is the only option available (not counting "in addition" options such as deferred comp 403(b)?). if she is part of higher education they offer a trsl optional plan that functions like a defined contribution (401k) plan in lieu of defined benefit plan. It is meant to be more portal for employees who dont plan on staying in state.

That is pretty much all I know. enjoy the subsidized health insurance and pension (assuming she sticks it out 20+ years)
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18920 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

enjoy the subsidized health insurance
It's not as good as most think.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4653 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

1)TRSL is not optional. They take 8% of every paycheck. 
This will be paid out as a pension after retirement. It sucks for people who actually know what the hell they're doing because I'm pretty sure I would be better off throwing that 8% into the overall market for 30 years. But, most people are unbelievably irresponsible so we need the government to protect us all. I digress. 


It's alot better than social security though.


ETA:

As for your questions, OP....
TSRL webiste:

Age and years of service for benefits

Benefit options


Basically the way it works is like this:

Your wife contributes 8% salary into her TSRL account every year. This money is hers no matter what. If she leaves the system, they pay her this money.

If your wife stays in the system long enough to become vested, she will eventually have the ability to decide how she wants to receive her benefits.

Since she was hired after 2015, she will get a 2.5% benefit factor on the standard benefit plan.

What this means is when she retires from the system, her number of years in the system are multiplied by 2.5% to find her benefit percentage, i.e. 25% salary per year after 10 years, 50% salary after 20 years, 75% salary after 30 years. If she retires young and wants to draw payments, her payout may be reduced based on her age.

quote:

Regular Plan (2.5% benefit factor):
Age 62 with 5 years of service credit*
Any age with 20 years of service credit* (actuarially reduced)


What isn't clear to me is if 62 is the new penalty-free age for all years of service. It used to be 30 years of service could draw 75% at any age, so a teacher that entered the system at age 22 could draw 75% at age 52 with no penalty. Now you can draw at 20 years at any age, but the amount will be reduced depending on age (I assume it's a percentage reduction per year under 62 but the site isn't clear).

In any case, if she chooses to take the maximum option (2.5% per year) the payments will stop when she dies. If she chooses an option that allows her to name a beneficiary, her benefit percentage is reduced depending on how much she wants the beneficiary to receive.

She would also be DROP eligible eventually. There can be alot of nuances to how DROP accounts play out but the general idea is that once she's eligible to receive a retirement benefit (i.e. after 20 years or more) she can "retire" from TSRL but still work for the school. She won't be paying 8% in any more, and TSRL will pay her retirement benefit into her DROP account for 3 years.

For example, let's say after 25 years she was making $75,000 and then goes on the DROP. She'll be locked in at a $47,000 retirement benefit but can stay working at her job. TSRL will start paying $47,000 a year into her DROP account, which I believe is invested. After 3 years she can retire and will start receiving her $47,000 retirement directly, and she'll have a DROP account worth $141,000 plus interest.
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 1:47 pm
Posted by LigerFan
Member since Jan 2014
2711 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

1)TRSL is not optional. They take 8% of every paycheck.
This will be paid out as a pension after retirement. It sucks for people who actually know what the hell they're doing because I'm pretty sure I would be better off throwing that 8% into the overall market for 30 years. But, most people are unbelievably irresponsible so we need the government to protect us all. I digress.


Just a note: People who contribute to TRSL do not pay social security tax.

But last time I checked, the school puts in somewhere around 26% of the teachers salary into TRSL.

Imagine contributing almost 28% of your salary (8% EE + 26%ER - 6.2%SS) into your retirement plan from the time you start working until you retire. Sure would have better returns than any of those teachers.

Edit: Just ran the numbers

Assuming 8% average annual gains, at a salary of $42500 with no raises over your career at a 27.8% contribution rate over 40 years, a teacher would end up with ~$3.1M
This post was edited on 8/22/19 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4653 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

Assuming 8% average annual gains, at a salary of $42500 with no raises over your career at a 27.8% contribution rate over 40 years, a teacher would end up with ~$3.1M


I agree that privately investing the same money would usually outperform what the state pension systems are able to do since by their nature they have to be really conservative, but stretching it out to 40 years puts it somewhat out of proportion IMO. Over 30 years at 8% it would be 1.4 million which would then generate $42,000 on a 3% fixed annuity which is more in line with what the pension systems are doing.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

Imagine contributing almost 28% of your salary


The reality is that 26% is more of a fee than a 'match.' A requirement that high doesn't inspire confidence in the health of that system....
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11484 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 2:59 pm to
quote:

1)TRSL is not optional. They take 8% of every paycheck.
This will be paid out as a pension after retirement. It sucks for people who actually know what the hell they're doing because I'm pretty sure I would be better off throwing that 8% into the overall market for 30 years. But, most people are unbelievably irresponsible so we need the government to protect us all. I digress.


Plus you don't get a Social Security check and I believe your TRSL is a straight payment with no CLA.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 3:19 pm to
Can someone also dumb down the subsidized retirement health insurance?

We’ve always used my employers insurance as the policy is better but I know that my wife and I can become vested in her policy and carry it through retirement.

I’m not even sure it’s worth it though depending on how long the vesting period is. My insurance is quite a bit cheaper.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41192 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

This will be paid out as a pension after retirement. It sucks for people who actually know what the hell they're doing because I'm pretty sure I would be better off throwing that 8% into the overall market for 30 years. But, most people are unbelievably irresponsible so we need the government to protect us all. I digress.


I think it would depend on your age. Take someone who graduates college at 22, with a state pension plan they can retire at 52 with 75% of your salary for life.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119154 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:24 pm to
Just here to post that pensions need to go away for public workers. Not speaking of Louisiana specifically, but it's time to put them on a 401k type plan, and do a 3%-5% match and be done with it.
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7492 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Huey Lewis


Thank you!
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11484 posts
Posted on 8/22/19 at 5:33 pm to
Truth
Posted by dwr353
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:35 am to
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This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 8:49 am
Posted by Corn Dawg Nation
Member since Oct 2009
3530 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:42 am to
quote:

Can someone also dumb down the subsidized retirement health insurance?

We’ve always used my employers insurance as the policy is better but I know that my wife and I can become vested in her policy and carry it through retirement.

I’m not even sure it’s worth it though depending on how long the vesting period is. My insurance is quite a bit cheaper.



I'd like some insight on this as well....
Posted by hugo
CenLa
Member since Sep 2007
1081 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:49 pm to
He said she was a paraprofessional, not a teacher. Not making anywhere near $42k a year.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3796 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

Your wife contributes 8% salary into her TSRL account every year. This money is hers no matter what. If she leaves the system, they pay her this money.



If she leaves prior to becoming eligible for retirement, say 15 years, does this money earn any interest? Or do they just pay back the straight 8% contributions?

Also, is there a table or anything for actuarial reductions?
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