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re: Best Location for Vacation Rental outside the US

Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:49 pm to
Before rates went nuts it was like 6/7 percent and I think 15 year max. Probably 8/9 now
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 8:51 pm to
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Are you talking about in Columbia? Or elsewhere?


Colombia. I thought I heard something where the government wanted to reduce the supply of short term rentals in order to keep housing affordable for locals.But I Just ran a quick internet search and only saw something about a new registration and tax scheme for AiraBnB that went into effect at the beginning of the year. Possibly I misremembered.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 8:52 pm
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:38 am to
I was just curious if their government would even have the ability to implement that? That’s why I ask?
Posted by tide06
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 9:13 am to
I just need to point out that historically speaking, investing in real estate located in a nation that is heading down a hard socialist path is a really, really bad idea.

Even absent those issues if the global economic situation continues to decline there are going to be very strong head winds to support current property valuations in late 2022-early 2023.

If you keep your powder dry you can probably pick something up in 12-18 months at a strong discount to current valuations and would have a much better sense of where things are headed with the political future down there.
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 9:14 am
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:28 am to
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I was just curious if their government would even have the ability to implement that? That’s why I ask?


Yes they can simply force AirBnB to do it or get booted out of the country.
Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:31 am to
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90% of expats should AVOID buying real estate in Colombia as an INVESTMENT. I worked in wealth management and commercial banking and have a lot of experience dealing with the financing and the RISK management side of real estate. There’s many reasons why expats should avoid investing in real estate in Colombia as an INVESTMENT.

1) The COP. “The peso weakened 3.7% to a record low of 4,561 per dollar on Monday, the biggest drop among more than 140 currencies tracked by Bloomberg. Since Petro won the election last month, it has lost 16% of its value against the dollar, the biggest fall of any currency over that period.” I’m not anti or pro Petro, but, there is simply no confidence in the COP, it’s literally one of the worst performing currencies. These are just facts.

2) Interest rates. It’s very difficult to borrow money as a foreigner but if you’re able to, they’re going to require 30-40% down and average interest rates of around 12%.I honestly don’t know any sophisticated investor who would EVER pay that for an investment property.

3) Liquidity. Good luck selling your property or trying to borrow against it in USD. The average time a Colombian property sits on the market is around 270 days and it’s only going to increase.

4) Taxes. Colombia charges taxes when you sell your property and an additional 3.63% - 4.79% in additional fees. The US offers very generous tax benefits if you own real estate in the US, and you can accelerate your depreciation and get a REFUND from the government.

5) Opportunity cost. Prices of real estate have gone up just about everywhere. The biggest differences are, your property is in the US, Can put a little as 0% down, it’s in USD, a lot of tax benefits, and homes sell rather quickly.

6) VISA - You don’t need to purchase property to get a Colombian Visa. There’s many other ways.

I would only INVEST in Colombian real estate if

1) You plan on living in the property long term, absolutely love it, the purchase price represents less than 5% of your investment strategy, you hedge, and you’re okay with potentially losing it all.

I have capital investments in Colombia and will continue investing in Colombia, just not in real estate.


This was recently posted somewhere else.
Posted by OleVaught14
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:49 am to
Has anyone looked into Uruguay recently?

Know a couple expats who moved there full time recently and absolutely love it. Am going to start looking into a rental/vacation property there, but curious if someone has already done the research.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 2:47 pm to
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One good thing about Aruba is they are out of the hurricane band


Indeed. It's summer all year and virtually no mosquitoes. Always windy, but that keeps the temperature nice.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 7:10 pm to
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Has anyone looked into Uruguay recently


The problem here is direct flights. If you fly private that’s one thing, but flying somewhere with 2 connections gets very old very quick. Just a suggestion. As far as the country, I agree it could be great in the future but I have some friends from there that aren’t excited about the future as locals.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 3:40 am to
I just started visiting Croatia recently. The flight sucks for sure, but I usually go for 6 weeks at a time. No vaxx mandates now. Beautiful beaches. Inexpensive living, ie food, drink, entertainment. And it's easy to travel to the rest of Europe by rail if you are vaxxed.

Also, no real political unrest.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 3:42 am
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 5:06 am to
Love Croatia. Dubrovnik and Split are magical.

Croatia was the only European country open during the Covid madness. My girl and I were practically the only tourists there.

Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 10:33 am to
Puerto Rico! If you live there for 6 months and establish residency you no longer have to pay federal income taxes to the US government but you are still a citizen.
Posted by MrLSU
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 10:37 am to
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I just started visiting Croatia recently. The flight sucks for sure, but I usually go for 6 weeks at a time. No vaxx mandates now. Beautiful beaches. Inexpensive living, ie food, drink, entertainment. And it's easy to travel to the rest of Europe by rail if you are vaxxed.


Slovenia is a super cheap and yet incredible location where properties can be purchased for a song.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 10:53 am to
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Slovenia is a super cheap and yet incredible location where properties can be purchased for a song.


But why buy a place in this situation? If a place is super cheap its easier to just drop $4000 on rent for 2 months at a time and call it a day, if even that?

If you are going to live there, or spend 6 months there more than once, etc. then buying makes sense. Or rent it out during the peak season for a reasonable ROI and stay there in the off season for basically "free".
Posted by jsquardjj
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 11:50 am to
Have you looked at Belize? USD, English speaking, growing tourism and good flights through southwest and others.

We had a condo on Caye Caulker that did pretty well. I just didn’t trust the property management company, and the sales price had gone up so much that we sold after 3 years.

They are developing the other side of Caye caulker right now, and It looks like it could be a great spot in a few years.
Posted by BugaTiger
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:26 pm to
Have you looked into Cartagena as well? Some of the properties are a little inflated but the place is blowing up like crazy
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 12:39 pm to
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Have you looked into Cartagena as well?


I'm here now, actually. Does not seem like a bad option, I just don't really like the vibe here.

They are doing some massive beach projects now that should result in the area being much much prettier in the next few years though.
Posted by OccamsStubble
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:11 am to
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One good thing about Aruba is they are out of the hurricane band


I can't imagine that Aruba is also not out of the Sargassum band either - at least for the windward side. Same could be said of all caribbean windward sides June-September. Sargassum is getting to be a big damned deal in the caribbean.
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