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Beginner at all things investing, building wealth, etc
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:01 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:01 am
I'm 34 with a wife and 2 young kids. I'm in the best financial place i've ever been. No debt except mortgage, which is only about half of it's appraised value. Making about 150k a year. I have about 70k in a 401k and my 6 months of "bills" in savings.
My question is, what can i do to start really investing to build long term wealth? I'm not a super risky person, but am willing to take calculated risks. Should i start acquiring rental properties? Should i start putting $500 extra dollars a month into the stock market? My only hesitation with the latter is i feel like (not that my feelings mean much) the market is due for a correction soon. So should i keep putting money in it at the top? or save money until the correction then dump a huge chunk in?
Sorry for the TL;DR. Just cluing you in with the deets. Thanks.
My question is, what can i do to start really investing to build long term wealth? I'm not a super risky person, but am willing to take calculated risks. Should i start acquiring rental properties? Should i start putting $500 extra dollars a month into the stock market? My only hesitation with the latter is i feel like (not that my feelings mean much) the market is due for a correction soon. So should i keep putting money in it at the top? or save money until the correction then dump a huge chunk in?
Sorry for the TL;DR. Just cluing you in with the deets. Thanks.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:20 am to FishinTygah84
Read sticky thread!!!
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:22 am to Fat Bastard
I did. was like drinking from a fire hose.
Thanks for yelling
Plus, what's the point of this board if everything people need to know is on stickeys?
Thanks for yelling
Plus, what's the point of this board if everything people need to know is on stickeys?
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 10:25 am to FishinTygah84
Start with your retirement accts. Max out your employer contribution to your 401K, then max out your RothIRA, then if you still want to invest more bump up your 401K contributions. Do it on a routine basis and don't bother trying to time the market - ie dollar cost averaging.
Then figure out what you want to do with the rest of your money. Buy property, invest in index funds, etc.. But that'll depend on where you live, what kind of hands-on involvement you want, risk, accessibility, knowledge of the market, etc..
Then figure out what you want to do with the rest of your money. Buy property, invest in index funds, etc.. But that'll depend on where you live, what kind of hands-on involvement you want, risk, accessibility, knowledge of the market, etc..
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 11:14 am to FishinTygah84
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My question is, what can i do to start really investing to build long term wealth? I'm not a super risky person, but am willing to take calculated risks. Should i start acquiring rental properties? Should i start putting $500 extra dollars a month into the stock market? My only hesitation with the latter is i feel like (not that my feelings mean much) the market is due for a correction soon. So should i keep putting money in it at the top? or save money until the correction then dump a huge chunk in?
1. Max out 401k (what is it 19k now?)
2. Max out a Roth IRA (6k/year)
2a. Invest in Roth IRA on a consistent basis. I don't care what the market is doing.
Whether you unload $2k into it every 4 months or $250 every two weeks, or $12k every January 1st doesn't matter.
Just be consistent. You catch highs and lows, and it won't matter in the long run. I've just explained Dollar cost averaging (DCA).
3. What to invest in? An extremely diversified ETF or Mutual fund.
4. Who to invest with? Vanguard, Schwab, Fidelity
5. If you max out the 401k and the IRA then open a brokerage account and buy what you consider to be good individual stocks whether based on prospects for growth or dividend income.
This is all anyone would needto know.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:19 pm to bayoubengals88
I don’t care what my future income is, I will always max 401k and learn to live on the difference
Posted on 9/18/19 at 12:51 pm to bayoubengals88
401K up to employer match
Then fund 2 × Roth IRAs (yours and spouse's)
Next fully fund 401k
Finally invest excess in taxable accounts, real estate etc...
Then fund 2 × Roth IRAs (yours and spouse's)
Next fully fund 401k
Finally invest excess in taxable accounts, real estate etc...
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:27 pm to FishinTygah84
Go see a financial advisor.
If you and your wife are working and have a combined income >203k you can't have a roth. You can have a traditional and then backdoor a roth.
This place is full of bad and good advice. Pay a pro.
Are you investing in your children's financial future? Whether it be a 529 plan or an UTMA account now is the time.
Think about where you want to be 5, 10, 20 years from now. Where you hope your kids will be. Think about where you might want to retire if you want to etc.
Write it down. Take this to a certified financial planner and he/she will help you lay out a plan and put some numbers to help you achieve these goals.
If you and your wife are working and have a combined income >203k you can't have a roth. You can have a traditional and then backdoor a roth.
This place is full of bad and good advice. Pay a pro.
Are you investing in your children's financial future? Whether it be a 529 plan or an UTMA account now is the time.
Think about where you want to be 5, 10, 20 years from now. Where you hope your kids will be. Think about where you might want to retire if you want to etc.
Write it down. Take this to a certified financial planner and he/she will help you lay out a plan and put some numbers to help you achieve these goals.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:31 pm to TorchtheFlyingTiger
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401K up to employer match
Then fund 2 × Roth IRAs (yours and spouse's)
Next fully fund HSA if you have high deductible plan
Next fully fund 401k
Finally invest excess in taxable accounts, real estate etc...
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:46 pm to geauxnc0308
Should you fund the HSA prior to the funding both Roths (I agree on post reaching 401k employer match first)?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 1:57 pm to blackoutdore
That's gonna be a personal preference and health history. Typically a roth you will have more investment options. HSA does have the tax deduction, both have their benefits. Contributions from Roth can be withdrawn for certain things and not be assessed the 10% early penalty. Health issues is one of them.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:51 pm to FishinTygah84
You should spend a good deal of it, enjoy your life, travel , experience everything life has to offer. Because despite what this board naively preaches, wealth isn’t the answer. It’s just a tool. Don’t die bragging about your net worth. And don’t start thread saying “ when did you make your first million “ and/or other reptilian brain garbage.
Downvote away money board worshipers.
Downvote away money board worshipers.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:33 pm to FishinTygah84
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This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:27 am
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:24 pm to Lsupimp
Since when did being ambitious become a negative thing? I agree money isn’t everything but what’s the harm of getting people’s inputs and learning from one another?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:34 pm to BigOrangeVols
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Max out your employer contribution to your 401K, then max out your RothIRA, then if you still want to invest more bump up your 401K contributions
So, just to make sure I follow...i currently put in 10% 401k, if I put in 6%, employer puts in 5% match. I should drop 401k contribution down to the 6% and begin putting that 4% in an IRA?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:58 pm to FishinTygah84
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My only hesitation with the latter is i feel like (not that my feelings mean much) the market is due for a correction soon.
Dollar cost averaging will fix all those concerns when you retire in, presumably, 25 to 30 years.
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Should i start acquiring rental properties?
While technically qualifying as an investment, you don't really directly invest in rental properties (even if you, somewhat pardoxically "do") - you actually buy or create a business that rents housing to people.
Unlike your 401k or other equity/bond, etc., raw "investments" - rental property is also a commitment of time, resources and effort (that you will either have to do, somehow acquire for free/discounted, or pay FMV for someone to do) that most folks who consider real estate investment often do. And there is plenty of risk with real estate, seen and unseen.
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So should i keep putting money in it at the top?
Again, dollar cost averaging is going to fix that over time. Obviously, if you needed the money this year, my advice would change. But, you're trying to time the market and that is - generally - a losing proposition.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:00 pm to MaxDraft
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So, just to make sure I follow...i currently put in 10% 401k, if I put in 6%, employer puts in 5% match. I should drop 401k contribution down to the 6% and begin putting that 4% in an IRA?
Right - qualify for your max match, then go ROTH IRA (although with your current income, you might want to get someone to do your analysis of whether traditional IRA with tax advantages now over a tax-advantaged retirement fund makes sense for your particular situation - you're nearing or at the break over point, if I recall correctly).
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:07 pm to tigersfan1989
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Since when did being ambitious become a negative thing
Make sure to mix in a little "ambition" for living a balanced life where materialism and the pursuit of wealth does not crowd out this ONE journey you get to take here on planet earth. This board has become insufferable with the constant wealth accumulation dick measuring.
Two things at my age that I am really tired of hearing IRL. The first is people bitching about how they grind so hard they don't enjoy their lives. The second is people who are seriously ill or have a devastating life event bitching about how they wished they'd enjoyed the ride more. People become completely alienated from their own lives in the pursuit of the next material thing that's going to satiate their "ambition". It's rampant.
I read this board and I feel like half you guys have lost your damn minds with all the "I've maxed this out and I've maxed that out". Ok good for you. Did you max your relationships out? Did you max your commitment to your family and community out? Did you max your time out? Did you max your experiences out and do those bucket list things? Did you max your potential out? Did you max your compassion out, your wisdom out, your generosity out, your spirituality out, your mentorship out? You know, the actual important stuff.
But don't mind me bro. Money is the shiznit. And keep that tape measure handy. Did you know that if you save enough, you get buried in a better casket? They might even bury you with a better watch.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 7:16 pm to Lsupimp
FFS Pimp, this is the MONEY board. If you don't like the topics, don't post here.
And I say this as someone who sincerely considers you a eFriend and valuable ally on the Poliboard.
And I say this as someone who sincerely considers you a eFriend and valuable ally on the Poliboard.
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