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re: Assuming hyperinflation is coming....

Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:25 pm to
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And we believe that governments won't devalue it or steal it somehow?

If you can explain how that would be done then by all means go for it.

I'll save you the time because it is obvious you haven't spent even a few minutes learning about Bitcoin. If you did, you'd know both of those things are impossible to do. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the second point and say that governments can club you with a wrench over and over again until you give up your private key. Other than that, they can't do shite for stealing it.
Posted by jimbeam
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:34 pm to
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club you with a wrench over
You got them Ledger hacking threats huh lol
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:41 pm to
Should I go ahead and send in my roth money to my broker for the year now? Been waiting to see what happens.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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75703 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:43 pm to
It’s a Jan 1 tradition for me
Posted by PotatoChip
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:45 pm to
As much as I’ve been against it, I’ve started buying bitcoin lately. That my play whether it’s works or not, but I think it will go up regardless of economy.
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7932 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:46 pm to
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And we believe that governments won't devalue it or steal it somehow?


Not possible and not possible unless they go around the world and shut down 100.0000% of the nodes which would be about as difficult as stopping the internet and would require every single country in the world to buy in. They get bitcoin shut down in 99% of the countries but one city in Zimbabwe decides to use this as an advantage to get crypto money to come there, the whole entire network can reboot from one single full node with full records. Devaluing and stealing, are not feasible, it is a open, decentralized, peer to peer verification network with little ability to identify actual owners of wallets.

However, They could make your life hell when they see a deposit back into USD from an exchange through taxes, that's about it; but by the time they get their heads out of their arse and see the threat coming for their governance through fiat, I believe it will be too entrenched to regulate against easily, or you might not really need to exchange it back into dollars by then (less likely imo).
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43997 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:52 pm to
All crypto currencies take away the power of the central bank and thus, the gov't. Honestly, I'm surprised they've allowed the crytpo currencies to come this far. I expect some sort of meltdown when shite starts getting serious.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82060 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:02 pm to
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You got them Ledger hacking threats huh lol

Luckily my address was not part of the leak, only email. I'm moving all my stuff to Coldcard
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:04 pm to
Is Coinbase still easy and good to use?
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82060 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:06 pm to
Avoid coinbase. They shite the bed any time there is big volatility, including today. Cash App or Gemini would be my suggestions
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
30744 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:08 pm to
Interesting
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:16 pm to
gemini went down today too. many exchanges went down today

I don't like coinbase but it's user friendly for noobs
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek, Ca
Member since Jul 2020
5515 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:44 pm to
Coinbase seems to have more secure options than Gemini as well, including two-step verification using an authenticator app and two email verification in a "vault"with a 48 hour delay for withdrawals. Both give you the option to use a security key.

ETA: For people that dont want to use cold storage.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 5:45 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:54 pm to
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Says cpi which will never find inflation which is why they use it so they can keep printing. If the cpi starts to show inflation, they will simply change the calculation so it doesn't again.
The Fed uses PCE as an index of inflation at least partially because CPI tends to OVERESTIMATE inflation.

In addition, that Chapwood index that Rocket cited estimating at 10-12 percent is complete nonsense, not only in the estimates but how the guy comes up with it (I guess he just surveys his friends about some really small set random items he THINKS are meaningful). Plus apparently he’s kind of loon on top of it.

In other words, we have had low, under-target inflation for a while, that has been difficult to heat up (even befuddling economists) and the pandemic/recession has only put downward on it for at least the near term.
Posted by Skippy1013
Lafayette, La
Member since Oct 2017
776 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:00 pm to
Stocks and Treasury Inflation Protected Bonds (TIPS)
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:10 pm to
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In other words, we have had low, under-target inflation for a while, that has been difficult to heat up


not sure if serious.

are you getting cheaper food, healthcare, education, insurance at better rates than the rest of us over these last few years?

also inflation has been accelerating this ever since covid, so im not sure where youre getting your information from LINK
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
7932 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:24 pm to
I think you need to look at scarcer assets to determine inflation in my opinion.

Cars, televisions, clothes, food, computing power, all of this is none scarce and being deflated by technology.

Desirable real estate, income paying assets, GOOD education, healthcare, the inflation is unreal
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 6:31 pm
Posted by BLM
ATL
Member since Oct 2011
780 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:05 pm to
Exchanging for dollars is something I wondered about. If everyone accepts Bitcoin how will they get it from you. Seems like the growing network effect will render governments attempts to control it useless.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:28 pm to
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Says cpi which will never find inflation which is why they use it so they can keep printing.


The CPI is no doubt imperfect, which is one reason the Fed prefers the slightly less imperfect PCE. There’s also Core CPI, Core PCE, the GDP price deflator and the implied breakeven between Treasuries and TIPS. All of these suggest a 2%-ish world, at best. In reality, we’re probably sub that.

In addition, bond yields and bank rates include a risk premium for inflation, yet are at or near the lowest levels ever. 30-y fixed mortgage rates have a 2-handle on them.

Finally, equity investors have numerous risk premiums to recover, of which inflation is one, yet earnings yields are currently at about 4-ish. With dividends, maybe that’s 6-ish. When you back out all of the other risk premia equity yields are supposed to reflect (and there are many), that doesn’t leave a lot of inflation risk to bake in. (Of course, equity markets are currently pricing in very little risk at all, but that’s a separate conversation.)
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:42 pm to
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also inflation has been accelerating this ever since covid, so im not sure where youre getting your information from


The chart you linked is certainly fair game, and it’s something I mentioned in my previous post. However, note that’s not actual inflation, but only expectations of future inflation. While important, below are the m/m inflation trends using something less controversial than CPI like, say, Core PCE. While you certainly had a snap back in the spring, it’s slowed down more recently (although stimulus will likely have an impact):

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