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re: About 20k of CC debt

Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:07 am to
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17977 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:07 am to
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If your cars are paid for, or if you don't have equity, this is a dumb idea.


Uh...if you need cash it is a very good idea. If you can sell a truck/SUV you own outright for $25k and buy a used car for $8-10k, not only is that $15k you can put towards your debt, you just freed up gas money, insurance money and personal property tax costs if your state has such a thing. That is a savings that just keeps contributing.

Just because a car is paid for doesn't mean keeping it is the best choice. If there is equity in it, it needs to be investigated.
Posted by 2geaux
Georgia
Member since Feb 2008
2603 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:31 am to
Put it on a new "NO interest" introductory card. You probably get them in the mail all the time, I do! They usually start charging int after a year. Don't put new charges on it. Just buckle down and pay off old principle before deadline.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7114 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:17 pm to


Don't listen to these Dave Ramsey clones - live your life. I'm not saying not to save and I'm not saying to live drastically above your means, but keep life in perspective. You only live once.

The short answer is to transfer your balances to a couple new cards at 0% for 12-18 months.

I'll tell you a few things that shaped my financial philosophy. The primary one was the death of a close friend. At the time he was taking home $400K/yr. Then one evening he was hit head on by a drunk driver just blocks from his home - dead in an instant in his early 40s. All of that money didn't do him a damn bit of good (and a simple life insurance policy takes care of the family regardless of savings). Likewise, a friend of my kids was hit head on by a drunk driver and suffered permanent brain damage - instantly changed not only her life but the life of her entire family.

Personally, I had to go on disability nearly 10 years ago after chronic back/neck problems and unsuccessful neck surgery. My income was unchanged due to good disability insurance, but I can no longer do many of the things I love, like racing motocross, riding sport bikes, golf, fishing, etc. Thankfully, I can still enjoy a nice car and do an occasional track day.

You never know when your time is up. Live every day like it is your last.

When I was in my mid-30s I started racing motocross with my son. Bought a truck, trailer, bikes, gear...the works - all financed or on credit cards. My father has never been one to carry debt, and he loves to berate me for not waiting until "I can afford it" before I do something. After 6 years of racing motocross, I had to give it up following my neck surgery. Those weekends racing with my son were some of the best times of my life. If I had postponed buying everything until I could afford it, I would have missed out on all those years of doing something my son and I absolutely loved. After that, I financed a couple sport bikes and we did track days for 2 years before I had to give that up as well.

During the 5 year period around my surgery and when I initially went on disability, I was set back approximately $300,000 due to lost wages, medical bills, etc. If I put off everything until I could afford it, I'd miss out on too much life. After paying $30,000+ in credit card debt down to nearly zero (for the second time), this summer I bumped it back up to $40K. That included a once in a lifetime family trip to Costa Rica for my wife's best friend's wedding, a new Vette, and a new car for the wife (down payments on credit cards). Going into the summer I had no plans to do any of that. But the wedding came up and we didn't want to miss it, my Jag needed $4K in repairs so I decided to ditch it and buy my Vette a couple years earlier than anticipated, and I bought the wife a new car so she wouldn't scratch up my Vette taking it to work.

I'll take around 2 years to pay it off while bouncing the debt from credit card to credit card to avoid paying interest. I'll pay a few months of interest here and there on a small portion of it, but that doesn't bother me because of the enjoyment I got in return. But I won't alter my lifestyle significantly to knock out the credit card debt quickly. Life is too short.

Don't sweat it. Move the debt to 0% interest cards, evaluate your spending habits, and establish a budget that pays off the debt a little at a time with minimal or no interest while avoiding adding to the balance. But don't take drastic measures - like crash diets, it never sticks. You'll just miss out on life.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18041 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:25 pm to
DO NOT take out a second mortgage to pay credit card debt.

Without knowing your income, here is what I would do.

1. Go to the library and check out the book The Total Money Makeover. Read it. Have your wife read it.

2. Sell everything you have that you don't need. Golf cart. Boat. I suspect you are upside down on your vehicle payments. If you have significant equity, I would temporarily sell your vehicle and drive a POS and put the money toward your 20%+ debt.

3. Write down every expense you have. See if you can find leaks. Easy things are go to streaming TV over cable and go to a cheaper cell phone plan. These are things that can save you thousands that you will find out will not be temporary. Zero different between Cricket and AT&T.

4. When you have your expenses cut down, figure out what you have left over. That is your attack budget.

5. If possible, pick up an extra job - especially during holiday time where temp jobs are easy to find. You can pick up $3000-$5000 easy here. If you have a skill that is marketable, even better. I can code. I started a consulting business. Sometimes I make more in a month than I do on my W2. It's fun.

6. Take every cent you have extra and pay it toward your credit card debt. Pay off the lowest balances first (the card you owe $1000 on should be paid before the one you owe $6000 on). Do this for as long as it takes. If you are serious about it, it will take much less real time to do it than it appears it will on paper.

7. In the future, don't buy things you can't afford. When my wife or I want to purchase something that isn't budgeted, we have a simple rule. We can buy that $500 purse/gadget as long as we can invest $500.

Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3921 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:24 pm to
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Uh...if you need cash it is a very good idea. If you can sell a truck/SUV you own outright for $25k and buy a used car for $8-10k, not only is that $15k you can put towards your debt, you just freed up gas money, insurance money and personal property tax costs if your state has such a thing. That is a savings that just keeps contributing.


Uhh... this is not reality for most people. Most likely somebody in his financial situation is upside down or has minimal equity. He's going to take a hit on that car when he trades it in. If it's a newish car, it is almost impossible to sell it himself. He's going to take a couple grand in equity and make it zero equity, and likely going to come out of pocket to buy the $10k POS. Only thing you say that makes any sense is it should be investigated. But that's not what you originally said. This is pretty niche advice being passed off as gospel.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18907 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:02 pm to
Living like every day is your last is another way of saying “I’m enslaved to adventure seeking, and I have no idea what contentment looks like.”
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7114 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:54 pm to
I’m “content” with enjoying life to the fullest and not settling for less.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18750 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:00 pm to
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I’m “content” with enjoying life to the fullest and not settling for less.


You remind me of a page from my Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy calendar:

I hope that when I die, people say about me, 'Boy, that guy sure owed me a lot of money.'
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7114 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:04 pm to
Nah, my assets far outweigh my liabilities and I carry $1 million in life insurance.

That is funny though.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:25 pm to
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I’m “content” with enjoying life to the fullest and not settling for less.
Ok. Well not everyone can be a dentist on disability who collecting so much tax-free disability (until 2030) that:

1. Professed he would “kill himself” if he “only made $100,000.”
2. Has admitted to investing (and I believe losing) tens of thousands of dollars on various penny and weed stocks.
3. Admitted to running up at least $30,000 in credit card debt on 3 occasions (as of April 2016), and being able to pay it off easily.
4. Admits to having $40,000 in credit card debt, and despite any transfer fees, in addition to paying some interest, will pay it off in 2 years.
5. Posted countless times about buying/owning various expensive sports cars (corvette, jaguar, etc.) over the years.

And to be honest, most people seemed to question the truthfulness of your statements over the years, either when you were posting as 911moto (even had to start a thread complaining about it) or as TigrrrDad.

So if you’re lying, your advice is based on the lies, is immediately useless. And if you’re telling the truth, your advice is based on a situation that is completely unusual with an unusually high source of (tax free) income, and is essentially useless to almost everyone else who are situations that bear little to no resemblance to your own.

So whether you need to incessantly bring up
your situation either to convince people of a lie you want to be true (or believed to be), to validate some pathological desire/tendency, and/or any other reason, can you at least not present it as useful advice for someone seeking some?
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 11:28 pm
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7114 posts
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:14 am to
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So whether you need to incessantly bring up your situation


Isn’t “bringing up your situation” the very nature of responding on a message board?

Wouldn’t it be disingenuous to offer my opinion or advice by using someone else’s details and not my own?

The OP could be making half of what I make and the advice still applies and directly correlates since his credit card debt would be half of mine.

And the source of my income is irrelevant - my dollars spend the same as anyone else’s post-tax income. And if you re-read my post, my financial philosophy was shaped and utilized long before I went on disability. It’s hilarious that people try to use “disability income” as an insult or a dig at me. If you’re smart enough to insure your car but too stupid to insure your income, that’s on you.

...and for the record, in my lifetime I’ve invested a total of $16,200 in penny stocks. Get your “facts” in order.

You sound jealous.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 7:43 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17977 posts
Posted on 10/30/19 at 7:50 am to
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Uhh... this is not reality for most people.


Nobody said it applied to everyone. I think your reading comprehension is a bit lacking.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4084 posts
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:37 am to
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Wouldn’t it be disingenuous to offer my opinion or advice by using someone else’s details and not my own?


Actually, no. Advice should be based on the details of the person asking for the advice, not mine or yours.

As best I can tell, we’re probably in the same age range. But as a SHANK (single happy and no kids) and reformed yuppie who did real OK buying no/low money down real estate in the 80s, me relating that to a guy with a family, who’s almost young enough to be my son, has almost no value to him. I’m sorry, but it just doesn’t.

My situation (and past) is fairly unique. Sounds like yours is too. And that’s fine. But just be aware that your “live for the moment” advice may not be the best thing for people in other situations.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:24 am to
Financial FREEEEEDOMMMMMM
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