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re: 50% of millennials think they need $300,000 or less to retire in comfort

Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by LSU in Frisco TX
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:09 pm to
How TF are boomers, who are mostly retired, thinking that 750k is enough?
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:26 pm to
don't most boomers not even have 10k?
Posted by tirebiter
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 8:51 pm to
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Obviously talking about realistic wants. People just didnt financially plan for them.

Going back to "most" households already live on $36k-$48k/yr income, that's simply not true unless you're talking individuals. Median household income is $70k. you're still above poverty level at that level of income, but it's certainly not exactly much extra money after typical expenses, more so the $3k point than $4k point.


I largely agree with you although median household is skewed by higher earners. A couple retiring currently, say somewhere between 50-60 are going to need a lot more than $4k monthly as recreation/vacation activities etc will be much higher in this age cohort than a couple retiring at 70. They also may want to move to an area with better climate, more accessible activities, etc that will be higher cost than where the lived while working.
They likely end up paying much more OOP for healthcare than expected as it certainly isn't cheaper than employer provided health bennies. Vehicle and housing costs aren't getting cheaper any time soon. If anything recent retirees may spend more money in initial years on things they couldn't do during working years due to time restraints. I have a hard time imagining a 50 yr old active couple retiring now on $5k a month unless they have a future certain monetary pipeline coming online. If millennials are stating $300k as adequate future value for their retirement funding I
Posted by obdobd918
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:01 pm to
Of course that is all they will need. They think they will still be living with their parents when they retire.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:36 pm to
The ones who told their kids that they had to go to college and never disciplined them and gave them everything they wanted because they were soft parents? Those parents?
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:54 pm to
I don't get it either. I'll have my house paid off in less than 10yrs, I'll have to work another 5 or 6. I'll retire with $5000 a month in SS and pension. That's enough money for us to do damn near anything we want without touching a dime of 401k.

How anyone that has a good job will have less than this I don't understand. I am going to teach my kids early to put as much as they can in 401k.
Posted by SM1010
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 2:59 am to
I'm a millenial and my retirement goal has always been around 300k. But that's by 35, not 65. If I have 300k in long term investments by 35 I can let it sit and compound for 30 years and be OK even if I weren't able to add another penny after 35.

Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:32 am to

$300k at 35 then work until 65, that's coastFIRE. $300k may be your goal to stop contributing but your retirement goal in the sense of this poll is the compounded amount when you actually retire from work and start drawing down.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 5:12 am
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:46 am to
Have you estimated your retirement spending? $300k at 35 still sounds lean for a millenial if you don't invest another dime. At 7% compounding that's ~$2.8m by 65 which yields ~$90k using 4% SWR. Do you think $90k is gonna be worth enough to live on comfortably by the time you're 65. Even modest inflation is going to cut that spending power dramatically. (Assuming low inflation and continued high growth is a risky venture) Congrats sounds like you're doing great, much better than average, just keep it up and don't be too optimistic w projections.

This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 5:29 am
Posted by SM1010
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 5:20 am to
I wouldn't stop working and saving completely. I'd just probably reduce both significantly. I'd definitely continue maxing out Roth every year at the very least.

I usually use a 6% compounding rate in my calculations which accounts for inflation. 99% of my retirement money is in s&p index funds. Since the s&p's historical average is 10% I feel like 6 is conservative enough.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:21 am to
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At 7% compounding that's ~$2.8m by 65 which yields ~$90k using 4% SWR. Do you think $90k is gonna be worth enough to live on comfortably by the time you're 65. Even modest inflation is going to cut that spending power dramatically


Most people use 6 or 7% because it already discounts the rate for inflation (3%). Yes, inflation is going up right now but historically 3% has been fine to use.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:28 am to
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Based millenials don’t care about retirement like you cringe boomers do. You think we dream of becoming a boomer and retiring so we can go to Walmart and bitch at people for not wearing masks like y’all?


No. We KNOW millennials dream of "retiring" to your parents' playroom/basement and play Madden on your XBox/PS? all day with your equally as lazy a$$ friends. The millennials idea of saving up for retirement is sending their parents to an early grave so that they can inherit the money their parents saved up for retirement.

OR, make millions as a YouTube/TikTok/Instagram/Twitter influencer.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 8:31 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:36 am to
I use 5% real return for stocks and 1% for bonds to “account“ for inflation
Posted by mule74
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:52 am to
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Add a zero.


Add a zero now. Add a zero and multiply by two if your 25.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
4257 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:02 am to
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Generation X actually taught their children about money.
This is what happens in my house. We have family meetings where we watch YouTube videos on compounding interest. I drill into their heads that the most important variable is time and the most valuable dollars are the first ones you invest. I talk about financial independence and have shared some minor details of our family finances to my son who is old enough to understand/appreciate.

I was fortunate enough to have a teacher in high school who taught this lesson to me and it should be mandatory. Of course, nowadays I see 'news' articles decrying the fact that people actually saved for their retirement and they have "too much" saved and took advantage of a "loop hole".
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:09 am to
Older Millennials are 40 now. Some of you don't even know your generations.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:12 am to
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Older Millennials are 40 now. Some of you don't even know your generations.


And, they're still in the parents' basement/playroom playing Madden all day.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44871 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:13 am to
Thay are actually out fighting the failed wars started by boomers and lived through two economic crisis.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26227 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:16 am to
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Older Millennials are 40 now. Some of you don't even know your generations.
I was coming to post the same thing. I’m in my mid 30s and all my friends are completely independent with jobs/families etc. I don’t know a single person living with their parents.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9549 posts
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:25 am to

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Baby Boomers are going to transfer the largest intergenerational wealth transfer in history will pass down over $30 trillion in inheritance from baby boomers to millennials and Generation X across the next few decades. Millennials will be fine.


Not a chance that the current Legislative power will allow that to happen. They're going to extract a HEAVY tax on assets at time of Death .... it's coming, and the digital nature of assets these days will make it extremely easy for the US Government.
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