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re: 30,20 or 15 year mortage?

Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
27136 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:51 pm to
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don't have pre-payment penalties.


this.
Posted by mytigger
Member since Jan 2008
15290 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:52 pm to
pay it off in 15 if you can. you'll save a ton on interest.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
54904 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:52 pm to
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what if he takes the $ difference in payments and invests it.... just sayin.



I understand what you are saying. But, most people are not gonna do this. If a person has the discipline to take the extra $ and invest it AND the return is greater than the interest rate on the loan, then you are right. I've had 30 year mortgages and had every intention of paying extra each month, but I did not do it enough. I finally refinanced with a 15 year and I am forced to pay extra. IMO, the 15 year makes people do the right thing.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:53 pm to
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what if it is at 0%?


I meant given the rates he stated.

You're right, at 0%, I'd be retarded.

But I don't think Mercedes offers many 0% APR financing deals.

They're not Hyundai.
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
27136 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:53 pm to
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pay it off in 15 if you can. you'll save a ton on interest.



thanks Warren Buffett
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
27136 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:55 pm to
well ya it takes discipline... but hell so does payin the mortgage...
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
27136 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

But I don't think Mercedes offers many 0% APR financing deals.




i wouldn't know. I drive a GMC.
Posted by Luke4LSU
Member since Oct 2007
11986 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 7:58 pm to
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i wouldn't know.


Neither would I.

I'm just assuming that another symptom of the SPS that leads to purchasing a Mercedes would be reluctance to take advantage of such financing deals.
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
27136 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 8:01 pm to
I'm going to the gym. yall have these spreadsheets completed for me when i return.
Posted by Kim Jong Ir
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
54904 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 8:07 pm to
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well ya it takes discipline... but hell so does payin the mortgage...



Most people are gonna pay what they have to pay and no more. And they are not going to invest the extra $, it will be gone.
Posted by Titan
Member since Apr 2008
2480 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 8:12 pm to
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and just think about the first day of year 16


Who lives in a house longer than 15 years these days unless you are 50?
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9536 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 9:03 pm to
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You may want to take a 30 year note and make sure you don't have pre-payment penalties. That way you can pay as if it is a 15 year mortgage and get the benefit of paying the loan off early. But you keep the flexibility of adjusting to the required payment based on the 30 year note if something comes up (job loss, a kid, etc.).


This.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 9:23 pm to
Sorry I'm late to this conversation, but especially given that interest rates are at an all-time low you should seriously think about borrowing as much as you can at a 30-year fixed rate.

True, you will be paying interest for 30 years instead of 15. On the other hand, your payments are lower and you can invest a good bit more in a tax-advantage account like a 401(k). Then you can deduct on both sides of the deal.

Paying off a mortgage early, especially when rates are low, is usually a mistake if you can use the money to invest at a higher rate.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 10:45 pm to
Man, this sure turned into a train wreck.

I'm pretty sure this argument is way more than what he wanted, but I'll add to it any way.

Here are my thoughts.

1- I am usually a fan of financial conservativism and would suggest a 15 year mortgage, but due to this point by Foshizzle,

quote:

Sorry I'm late to this conversation, but especially given that interest rates are at an all-time low you should seriously think about borrowing as much as you can at a 30-year fixed rate.

True, you will be paying interest for 30 years instead of 15. On the other hand, your payments are lower and you can invest a good bit more in a tax-advantage account like a 401(k). Then you can deduct on both sides of the deal.

Paying off a mortgage early, especially when rates are low, is usually a mistake if you can use the money to invest at a higher rate.


I have to agree that the 30 year note would be the better call.

However, this is not an absolute judgement on the matter.

In order for it to be the most effective move, you should be disciplined in investing the extra 200 dollars (or whatever it was) into your retirement account (IRA/401K). You will likely get better returns over the long run in even simple bond indexes. If you just blow the money on crap, then it's a dumb decision.
Posted by JWS3
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
2502 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 10:45 pm to
If your house was paid for, would you get a mortgage on it so you could invest the money? I am betting 99.99% of homeowners would say not a chance. Getting a larger mortgage, or longer terms so you can invest the difference is the same thing.
Posted by pmac012
Prairieville,La
Member since Dec 2007
1158 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 10:54 pm to
foshizzle--Thats what I am doing. Bought a brand new home 2 years ago. 30 year mortgage at 5.3%. I have the plan working to pay it off in 15-18 years. In the meantime I am having 10% of my paycheck taken out and put in my 401k were my employer matches the first 4%.
Posted by Hermit Crab
Under the Sea
Member since Nov 2008
7390 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:46 pm to
how long are you planning on living there?
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
61944 posts
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:55 pm to
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I can afford the 15 payments but was wondering if this was the right move.


Listen to me on this one. You say that you can pay on a 15 year loan. Do this, with a twist...... most get paid twice a month (1st and 15th). Make payments twice a month. This will turn a 15 year loan, into a 12yr. 8 month loan.

Let me know if you need more info. Most banks can do this. I did this one time. But payed the house off early anyway. Once you see the light at the end of the tunnel. Too easy to pay off.

Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
6874 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 6:34 am to
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$135,000.00 home,$50,000 down. 4.35 on the 15 and 4.75 on the 30.


15 yr: $30,875 interest over life of loan

30 yr: $74,624 interest over life of loan

LINK
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133679 posts
Posted on 2/3/10 at 7:27 am to
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but is it worth the interest savings over getting more money back come tax time?
Unless you're in the 100%+ tax bracket, the answer is 'yes.'
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