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re: Would You Say That Maineri Wins Mostly on Talent and Passion Rather Than Coaching Acumen?
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:53 pm to The Boat
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:53 pm to The Boat
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Mainieri is uptight and puts too much pressure on his teams. LSU's played much too tight in the postseason the last several seasons.
People don't realize DD Breaux used to be extremely tight in the post season and it really resonated on her teams as well. The team with Courville and Jordan and Hall was a complete mess even with the talent. The last couple seasons she completely changed the way she approached the post season, tried to be extremely calm and not show emotion and her teams seemed to thrive. Sometimes showing too much emotion and tension changes everything
Same thing with Beth Torina, very calm and collected. Players don't seem to get rattled. They just go out and be them. It definitely works for sure as they never seem fazed in elimination games over the years.
Coaching and being extremely uptight and showing nerves really does rub into teams. This stuff happens in all sports. When PM is calm his teams play extremely loose and it shows, when he isn't you can clearly see it
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:00 am
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:54 pm to Sir Fury
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You don't continually make it to the CWS without being a top notch coCh. You don't make it there on talent, alone. And you don't make it there by just being a top-notch coach. It takes both. Ask Smoke Laval.
Smoke made it to the CWS. Twice.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:54 pm to SlapahoeTribe
First, they are two completely different sports. Comparing the two is disingenuous at best. Having said that, Miles certainly knew and understood the game. He was a good coach. His time had come, however. It ran its course. That isn't a knock on his football IQ. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
On a side note, I do love how people who don't understand the game or intricacies of the game even at a high school level (I include myself in that) can make a fair assessment of coaches IQ or acumen. Not saying you can't criticize or point out when things don't work, but that's wholly different than questioning a coach's mental ability and knowledge of the game.
On a side note, I do love how people who don't understand the game or intricacies of the game even at a high school level (I include myself in that) can make a fair assessment of coaches IQ or acumen. Not saying you can't criticize or point out when things don't work, but that's wholly different than questioning a coach's mental ability and knowledge of the game.
Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:54 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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. The only manager at the CWS that I think Maineri did better than was FSU's.
If Mainieri had us in Oregon State's position and dropped two games to a team we blew out by 10 runs, by holding out our 1st round pick starter, they'd be throwing rocks at him as he stepped off the plane.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:04 am to Rolo Hardy
I think PM is a good coach, he seems to move pieces around to find what works and have his teams clicking at the end of the year. He recruits pretty well, sure could he could do things better but everyone can.
I think at times he gets a little too cute with his decisions, sometimes it works many times it completely backfires.
If there is anything he can do better is pulling pitchers quicker and try to relax when the tournament begins. It seems like all his teams seem to press way too much come post season. If they can relax and do what they do I think PM is in Omaha a lot more than what you see.
I think at times he gets a little too cute with his decisions, sometimes it works many times it completely backfires.
If there is anything he can do better is pulling pitchers quicker and try to relax when the tournament begins. It seems like all his teams seem to press way too much come post season. If they can relax and do what they do I think PM is in Omaha a lot more than what you see.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:06 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:05 am to shutterspeed
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Smoke made it to the CWS. Twice.
Yup. 03 and 04, I believe. Laval's issues wasn't really coaching. He couldn't really recruit. He did well his first couple years, then fell off a little in 05 and a good bit in 06, before resigning. He just couldn't quite keep the talent level up.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:08 am to Tigerbait357
quote:agree and disagree. I think it's more like "many times it works but sometimes it completely backfires." That seems more accurate to me. It works more times than not.
I think at times he gets a little too cute with his decisions, sometimes it works many times it completely backfires.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:08 am to shutterspeed
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Smoke made it to the CWS. Twice.
With Skip's players and then went right down the toilet when they were gone. Mainieri has built his program from the bottom up and continues to have LSU as a top program every year
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:11 am to lsufball19
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With Skip's players and then went right down the toilet when they were gone.
Are you saying Smoke won with talent instead of coaching skill?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:13 am to The Boat
Mainieri is uptight and puts too much pressure on his teams. LSU's played much too tight in the postseason the last several seasons"
I completely agree with this
I completely agree with this
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:14 am to Sir Fury
Its part of being a coach too, sometimes you got to go with your gut at times. There will be many times it will work and then times that it doesn't. Its just going to happen, its part of the game.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:14 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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The only manager at the CWS that I think Maineri did better than was FSU's.
He did better than 6 other teams that didn't make it to the CWS final. He out managed the manager that has two NC's and only lost for games all year. Seriously that was just this past weekend.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:16 am to shutterspeed
Why does he wait so late to get folks going in the bullpen
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:19 am to lsufball19
PM has over 1600 wins and is a hall of gamer who constantly has us among the top in the nation. Does he make mistakes at times? Yes. But the coach isn't the only one on the field. You can teach your players everything about the game, but when their adrenaline is pumping sometimes they make mistakes. Can't blame everything on coaching.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:21 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:24 am to shutterspeed
He is not Skip. Maybe he will never be Skip.
Skip is a legend!
Skip is a legend!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:25 am to geauxtigers33
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He did better than 6 other teams that didn't make it to the CWS final. He out managed the manager that has two NC's and only lost for games all year. Seriously that was just this past weekend.
Was it really hard in game decisions in those games? He got two gems out of his starting pitchers and handed it over to Hess.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:28 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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Was it really hard in game decisions in those games? He got two gems out of his starting pitchers and handed it over to Hess.
Was it hard for Sullivan having his pitching staff throw gems the entire CWS?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:30 am to lsufball19
He made a ballsy decision bringing in his game 3 starter which turned out to be money. He didn't hesitate like Maineri would have in that situation. Maineri's in game decisions are without a doubt worse compared to the other top managers.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:36 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:36 am to KingwoodLsuFan
And it very nearly blew up in his face. If Deichman's grounder isn't hit quite so hard or goes a couple feet to the left of the first baseman, it's a tie game and he burned their game 3 starter.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:37 am to shutterspeed
Yes.. 5 nattys to like 1 or 2 for the rest of sec combined before he came. Any above avg coach would prolly get a natty. But even though we are the Bama of baseball we need a really good HC to win multiple again. Not many skip bertmans or sabans running around I guess.
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