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re: Would you rather be a Hog fan?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:11 pm to searcyagent
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:11 pm to searcyagent
Arky winning it all this season
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:14 pm to lsufball19
Seems that many of the teams in the transfer portal era fall off after deep runs in Omaha. Just looking at teams in the finals the last 5 years, Miss St, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, A&M, Florida, LSU all fell off IIRC. The calendar definitely makes it difficult
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:16 pm to RB10
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Making the tourney as a 2 seed and almost winning it isn’t a dud. That’s a down year.
We fired Smoke Laval for less, and Mainieri got plenty of heat for 2011 and, post 2017, everyone was looking forward to the day he was no longer the head coach. LSU, as a program, has different expectations than everyone else. Jay realizes this. I don't think he's thinking to himself "well it's baseball, every program is bound to have a year like this." I think he's just as pissed off as everyone else this season turned out the way it did and, in no way thinks it's anything less than unacceptable for this program. A down year for us shouldn't be in the cellar of the SEC. A down year for LSU should be on the road in a regional.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:26 pm to lsufball19
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We fired Smoke Laval for less
Had the misfortune of following Skip.
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Mainieri got plenty of heat for 2011 and, post 2017, everyone was looking forward to the day he was no longer the head coach.
He had the consistency so many people seem to want though. Why was that not enough?
Oh yeah, because he didn’t win enough titles.
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LSU, as a program, has different expectations than everyone else.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s exactly the problem.
I keep saying this, because it keeps needing to be said: It’s not the 90’s anymore.
Until someone proves that can do it differently, LSU fans need to decide what they want:
Consistency with a title every 10 years (maybe)
Or
A boom/bust mentality with a title every 5 years, but a missed tourney and a couple down years to go with it.
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I think he's just as pissed off as everyone else this season turned out the way it did and, in no way thinks it's anything less than unacceptable for this program. A down year for us shouldn't be in the cellar of the SEC. A down year for LSU should be on the road in a regional.
It’s time to reset expectations. With the transfer portal and NIL, no one is immune to these bottoming out years.
Wanting to fire everyone because of it is asinine.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:38 pm to RB10
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Maybe, just maybe, that’s exactly the problem.
I keep saying this, because it keeps needing to be said: It’s not the 90’s anymore.
I was around in the 90s, I'm well aware. In the 1990s it was unacceptable not to make it to Omaha. Lowering those expectations to simply making a 64 teams field (the field was 48 until 1999) I don't believe is unreasonable.
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Until someone proves that can do it differently, LSU fans need to decide what they want:
Consistency with a title every 10 years (maybe)
Or
A boom/bust mentality with a title every 5 years, but a missed tourney and a couple down years to go with it.
I don't think those are the only two options.
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It’s time to reset expectations. With the transfer portal and NIL, no one is immune to these bottoming out years.
Wanting to fire everyone because of it is asinine.
Where did I say Jay should be fired? Literally in my first post about this I said I haven't lost faith in Jay nor do I think this means anything long-term for the program.
Do you think that if Jay receives criticism for a bad season it is mutually exclusive for thinking his job needs to be on the line? Who is being unreasonable again?
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te]With the transfer portal and NIL, no one is immune to these bottoming out years.[/quote
Or maybe it gives Jay an opportunity to reassess how he evaluates players and constructs his rosters. Jay will use this as a learning experience. I honestly do not believe he just flushes this season from his memory and chalks it up to "sometimes this is how it goes." You ever heard him say "never waste a failure." This is what he's talking about. I don't think he's lowering his own expectations nor do I think he expects us to. He has the best job in college baseball, and high expectations, higher than anywhere else, comes with the territory. He knows this. And I also know he'll work his arse off to make sure that a season like this doesn't happen again.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:43 pm to lsufball19
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I was around in the 90s, I'm well aware. In the 1990s it was unacceptable not to make it to Omaha. Lowering those expectations to simply making a 64 teams field (the field was 48 until 1999) I don't believe is unreasonable.
The expectation is to make the tournament. I’m saying the flipping of the switch straight to “he sucks and should be fired” because LSU bottomed out is ridiculous.
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I don't think those are the only two options.
There isn’t a coach or program whose done it differently is the recent past.
Even of the ones you listed, only OSU and Vandy have multiple titles and the time between their last and next is growing by the year.
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Where did I say Jay should be fired? Literally in my first post about this I said I haven't lost faith in Jay nor do I think this means anything long-term for the program.
Do you think that if Jay receives criticism for a bad season it is mutually exclusive for thinking his job needs to be on the line? Who is being unreasonable again?
I’m not referring to you. I’m referring the the posters who have said he should be fired.
Calm down.
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Or maybe it gives Jay an opportunity to reassess how he evaluates players and constructs his rosters. Jay will use this as a learning experience. I honestly do not believe he just flushes this season from his memory and chalks it up to "sometimes this is how it goes." You ever heard him say "never waste a failure." This is what he's talking about.
You don’t grow without failures. He will absolutely grow from this but he will continue to aim big. That will result in more big wins, and big losses.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:47 pm to RB10
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I’m saying the flipping of the switch straight to “he sucks and should be fired” because LSU bottomed out is ridiculous.
can you point to me where I did this or even anything close to it?
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There isn’t a coach or program whose done it differently is the recent past.
define what you mean by recent past? If you wanna look at the NIL/portal era only, Tennessee has made it to Omaha 3 times, won one national title, and their worst season thus far is losing in a super regional. Yes, you can be consistent as a program and win national titles. You don't have to chose one over the other.
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I’m not referring to you. I’m referring the the posters who have said he should be fired.
then why do you keep repeating this to me as if I need to be educated on something?
Posted on 5/11/26 at 1:50 pm to lsufball19
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can you point to me where I did this or even anything close to it?
See my previous post.
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define what you mean by recent past? If you wanna look at the NIL/portal era only, Tennessee has made it to Omaha 3 times, won one national title, and their worst season thus far is losing in a super regional. Yes, you can be consistent as a program and win national titles. You don't have to chose one over the other.
*Title
They have a title. Not multiple, and certainly not 2 in 3 years.
You’re making my point for me while trying to argue against it.
ETA: And Vitello could certainly be the one guy who could do it. We don’t really know yet because after a “down” year following his title he left for San Francisco.
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then why do you keep repeating this to me as if I need to be educated on something?
Because you’re the one responding to me
I never said “you” in any of those posts. I spoke in generalities.
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These same fans would want Corbin gone for not winning recently. They would want Sully for squandering talent and they would have wanted DVH run off about 5 years ago.
If I had been referring to you, I’d have said “you”.
This post was edited on 5/11/26 at 1:54 pm
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