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re: Worst LSU coach in history?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:49 pm to SammyMarley
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:49 pm to SammyMarley
Hallman
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:57 pm to stho381
Hallman is the obvious answer, given that his predecessor and successor were both able to achieve some success during their tenures and he had one good win in 5 years and was the architect (along with Lynn Amedee) of what was quite possibly the single worst moment in LSU football history, that horrific day on the plains in 1994.
What about some less obvious choices? I'd go with Tinsley and Stovall, two beloved former players who get a bit of a pass from the fan base for that reason.
Tinsley could never achieve success during an era when other SEC schools were doing well. Stovall I think was even worse. I think people fondly remember that 1982 season, but what I remember about 1982 is some of the best wins we'd had in years followed up by absolute stinkers. It was in the 1982 season that the "catastrophe syndrome" was born. We beat Alabama for the first time in 12 years only to follow that up with a loss to Miss. State. We crush a very good Florida State team to get to the Orange Bowl then follow up with a horrific loss to Tulane, a team that had destroyed us the year before. That 1982 team had the talent to compete for a national title, as evidenced by the 1-point loss to a great great 1982 Nebraska team in the Orange Bowl. And that was his best year by far.
What about some less obvious choices? I'd go with Tinsley and Stovall, two beloved former players who get a bit of a pass from the fan base for that reason.
Tinsley could never achieve success during an era when other SEC schools were doing well. Stovall I think was even worse. I think people fondly remember that 1982 season, but what I remember about 1982 is some of the best wins we'd had in years followed up by absolute stinkers. It was in the 1982 season that the "catastrophe syndrome" was born. We beat Alabama for the first time in 12 years only to follow that up with a loss to Miss. State. We crush a very good Florida State team to get to the Orange Bowl then follow up with a horrific loss to Tulane, a team that had destroyed us the year before. That 1982 team had the talent to compete for a national title, as evidenced by the 1-point loss to a great great 1982 Nebraska team in the Orange Bowl. And that was his best year by far.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:59 pm to SammyMarley
Mike Archer. If he is not first. He is second.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:04 pm to HeadBusta4LSU
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HeadBusta4LSU
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Man he was an idiot
He was God awful. I haven't thought about him since he was gone until today - I can't even think about Hallman and Archer because I'm still trying to figure out what a drop linebacker does. Dumbest shite ever.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:18 pm to Minnesota Tiger
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Curly left him a lot of talent.
There are programs out the that are really struggling to get out of the ditch- CU comes to mind.
I would argue that this is simply attributable to the talent pool in the State of Louisiana (and the fact that a good number of it will end up at the single major college football program in the state, regardless of how crappy its doing at the moment) versus the talent pool in the State of Colorado, much more than anything having to do with anything Curley may have done positive as a coach here (which is essentially, nothing).
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:19 pm to SammyMarley
had to be curley hallman
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:23 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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Stovall I think was even worse. I think people fondly remember that 1982 season, but what I remember about 1982 is some of the best wins we'd had in years followed up by absolute stinkers. It was in the 1982 season that the "catastrophe syndrome" was born. We beat Alabama for the first time in 12 years only to follow that up with a loss to Miss. State. We crush a very good Florida State team to get to the Orange Bowl then follow up with a horrific loss to Tulane, a team that had destroyed us the year before. That 1982 team had the talent to compete for a national title, as evidenced by the 1-point loss to a great great 1982 Nebraska team in the Orange Bowl. And that was his best year by far.
You forgot to mention this was a group that went 3-7-1 the year before. That team was NOT very talented at all beyond Dalton Hilliard, Garry James, and Eric Martin.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:25 pm to MetryTyger
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Worst LSU coach in history? Embarrasing and last play losses and large rout losses: UAB 2000, Florida 2000 Florida 2001 Va.Tech 2002, Auburn 2002, Bama 2002, Arky 2002, Texas2002 Iowa 2004 Guess who?
So you think Nick Saban was the worst coach in LSU history? This is either a poor attempt at sarcasm or you are a complete moron.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:31 pm to Minnesota Tiger
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Curley may well have been the worst coach in our past, but he clearly did not destroy the program.
what would you call six consecutive losing seasons? The program was absolutely in a ditch when Dinardo got here. Hallman was the primary architect of that destruction. The last two years of Archer were bad, but a competent coach could have immediately righted the ship. It is Hallman who ran us in to the iceberg.
I do think Stovall largely gets a pass despite a pretty uneven record. After forcing out Mac, LSU went 7-4, 3-7-1, 8-3-1, and then 4-7. The 1981 3-7-1 record is LSU's worst single season aside from Curley's 1992 2-9 debacle. The team only scored 169 points and was outscored by 103 points.
Arnsparger cleaned up that mess, but then stole Spurrier from us, which is worse than anything Archer ever did to LSU. I have far more ill will towards Arnsarger, who actively hurt LSU and then popped up at Florida and hired Spurrier, than Archer, who was just a guy in over his head. Stovall was just a guy clearly unqualified for the job, and is probably the coach most responsible for the "dark years" other than Curley.
Once LSU screwed up the post-Mac hire, it sent the program on a spiral of mediocrity it didn't entirely escape until Saban arrived (though it started to end under Dinardo, to give credit, even if it was a false spring).
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:50 pm to Baloo
I often wonder how things would have turned out under Bo Rein instead of Stovall.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:57 pm to Byron Bojangles III
quote:You're either dumb, or retarded.
Worst ever was the dumpster fire that was Malveto
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:09 pm to MountainTiger
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I often wonder how things would have turned out under Bo Rein instead of Stovall.
That is the great "what if" of LSU football. Rein won the ACC title his final year at NC State and by all accounts, was a great football coach. If that plane doesn't crash, he likely wins right away at LSU and we're spared the topsy turvy Stovall years. We never coax Arnsparger from the Dolphins as the emergency hire he was, and therefore, Arnsparger never recommends Archer for the job.
There's no telling what happens in the 80s if Rein comes to LSU. Though maybe Joe Dean was dumb enough to hire Curley anyway once Rein retired.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:23 pm to Baloo
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Though maybe Joe Dean was dumb enough to hire Curley anyway once Rein retired.
Never underestimate the stupidity and ineptitude that was Joe Dean.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:28 pm to Baloo
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That is the great "what if" of LSU football.
No question. I thought at the time it was a great hire. LSU had some talent on the team, which to me is the only explanation for whatever success Stovall had. Not that I'm trying to rag on Stovall too much. He was a sentimental favorite but in my opinion, not a very good coach. The team seemed to win in spite of him. Not to diminish the personal tragedy of Rein's death, I was disappointed that he never got the chance to coach the Tigers. I really thought he could have been a good one.
ETA: agree about Dean. Good Lord...
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:30 pm to SammyMarley
Hallman without a doubt. Thanks Tex Schram.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:34 pm to MountainTiger
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I thought at the time it was a great hire. LSU had some talent on the team, which to me is the only explanation for whatever success Stovall had. Not that I'm trying to rag on Stovall too much.
It's amazing how, from today's perspective, what an absolutely odd hire Stovall seems to be.
I don't think he had ever been anything beyond a position coach in his career prior to being hired, and was not even in coaching at the time.
I know he was sort of an "emergency" hire, given Rein's death, but it's just amazing to think how far our perspective has come on this in the span of 30 years.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:36 pm to Baloo
quote:so now Hallman gets the blame for 6 consecutive losing seasons?quote:what would you call six consecutive losing seasons? The program was absolutely in a ditch when Dinardo got here.
Curley may well have been the worst coach in our past, but he clearly did not destroy the program.
quote:no, the architect was Archer. Under his watch, LSU was absolutely strip-mined of football talent. Hallman just continued to bungle things. He got recruits, but couldn't do anything with them.
Hallman was the primary architect of that destruction.
quote:no, the ship was not in a position to be immediately righted when Archer was shown the door. 1990 was probably the least talented LSU team in the modern era, when compared to the other programs in the SEC. That took a special kind of futility. Archer Futility.
The last two years of Archer were bad, but a competent coach could have immediately righted the ship. It is Hallman who ran us in to the iceberg.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:48 pm to clamdip
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so now Hallman gets the blame for 6 consecutive losing seasons?
not all of it, but he was arguing that LSU football was not in the dire straights that, say, Colorado is in today. And that's not true. We were are rock bottom program who had fallen into irrelevance. We were a bad program.
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no, the architect was Archer. Under his watch, LSU was absolutely strip-mined of football talent.
Aside from the possible NFL Hall of Famer he brought to campus (Mawae).
No one is saying Archer was a great coach. But to argue that Archer was the architect of LSU's dismal Dark Ages and not Curley borders on insane. Archer was a terrible recruiter. No one is arguing that point. But he was able to win when he had talent. He's just a guy who couldn't manage a program. I don't have any ill will to the guy.
And that horrible 1990 team still went 5-6. The worst was yet to come. It's name was Curley (and Amadee... seriously, screw that guy).
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:54 pm to Baloo
Just some food for thought. Below are the counts of drafted players recruited (meaning that coach signed them), and drafted players coached (meaning they played their last year for the coach listed).
Arnsparger
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recruited 18 players drafted
coached 14 players drafted (all Stovall recruits)
Archer
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recruited 6 players drafted
coached 23 players drafted (4 stovall, 18 Arnsparger, 1 Archer)
Hallman
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recruited 9 players drafted
coached 6 players drafted (5 archer, 1 hallman)
DiNardo
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recruited 14 players drafted
coached 14 players drafted (8 Hallman, 6 dinardo)
Arnsparger over 3yrs
Archer and Hallman over 4yrs
DiNardo over 5 yrs
Arnsparger
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recruited 18 players drafted
coached 14 players drafted (all Stovall recruits)
Archer
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recruited 6 players drafted
coached 23 players drafted (4 stovall, 18 Arnsparger, 1 Archer)
Hallman
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recruited 9 players drafted
coached 6 players drafted (5 archer, 1 hallman)
DiNardo
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recruited 14 players drafted
coached 14 players drafted (8 Hallman, 6 dinardo)
Arnsparger over 3yrs
Archer and Hallman over 4yrs
DiNardo over 5 yrs
Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:16 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Worst ever was the dumpster fire that was Malveto
shut up, you have no idea.
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