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Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:25 pm to chilge1
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Didn't we essentially double his salary?
522K to 1.3M...A bit more than double.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:53 pm to geauxtigers33
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LSU athletics as a whole are self sufficient because it is a very well rounded sports program
no
LSU is self sufficient because of the revenue that comes from the football program.
Sure, it's a good thing that baseball doesn't lose money. But other than that (which is minimal anyway) the rest of the athletic program doesn't really contribute financially in a significant way. Basketball is the only other sport turning a profit I believe.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 9:56 pm to 7sbelegendary
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Dave Aranda left the football program after three acclaimed seasons to take the same job at LSU, a step many fans viewed as a lateral move.
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his salary would jump from $522,200 to $1.3 million
Does not compute
But seriously even before the salary why would they think this is a lateral move? LSu is an A program, Wisconsin is a B program. LSU has a lot more talent than Wisconsin, which rarely recruits NFL caliber players by comparison. Wisconsin is a solid football school, but they arent a "championship" or high level football institution.
Sure, they've won a few Big Ten Titles recently, but were they any good really?
2010 championship team that went 11-2 lost to mid-major TCU in the Rose Bowl.
2011 championship team that went 11-3 lost to Oregon in Rose Bowl.
2012 championship team went a shitty 8-6 losing to Oregon State OOC and then Stanford in Rose Bowl.
So they've been known for winning the Big Ten when it's way down and go on to lose their bowl game. In 2014 we saw what happened when they played the worst LSU team under Miles, but still went on to win 11 games, winning their Big Ten division. Next year will be more of the same probably. They won 10 games this year getting pummeled by Alabama in a very very weak Big Ten (division especially).
Next year will just be more of the same for them, have a "solid" season where they get beat by us and win 10-11 games in a weak division.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:24 pm to thunderbird1100
No disrespect.
Aranda took a no brainer move to a talent rich area for a bunch more cash.
It's only a lateral move in the sense he is still going to be a DC.
LSU in the last 10 years or maybe even 20 is maybe slightly ahead of UW in winning percentage and wins. Pretty comparable on paper. However the eye test says LSU is a notch above in talent generally and does play a more competitive schedule generally. The SEC is the best football conference And the school has different priorities. Football is a bigger deal at LSU. So yeah its a step up for Aranda certainly in some ways.
On the flip side, Wisconsin trys to say that we are nearly equal in wins and have spent a ton less money on assistants to do it. And the argument goes that when we have lost to a program that does pay a lot more that the difference in the game is the players talent, not usually the coaching. A rebuttal of course is that great coaching draws in better players.
If Wisconsin and LSU would have traded coaching staffs this year would the team's records be much different? I might be inclined to argue that LSU would have won more with the UW staff and that Wisconsin may have lost more. Just a guess of course, but interesting to consider. Not that i dont like Miles, but I loved our OC and DC package this year. Offensively we were a bunch of walkons for crying out loud.
From my vantage point Wisconsin needs to find a way to be more competitive with salaries but not get caught up in the extreme arms race that exists in the SEC west. After all...some places overpay extremely and have nothing to show for it. Look to the state west of Louisiana.
But if I had to choose I would take some looser admission standards over higher coaching salaries, because we lose guys all the time over that. And players win games.
I think Aranda's ceiling at LSU is very high and I am still mad he is gone, but good for him and LSU. No reason it shouldn't be a lethal combo.
Aranda took a no brainer move to a talent rich area for a bunch more cash.
It's only a lateral move in the sense he is still going to be a DC.
LSU in the last 10 years or maybe even 20 is maybe slightly ahead of UW in winning percentage and wins. Pretty comparable on paper. However the eye test says LSU is a notch above in talent generally and does play a more competitive schedule generally. The SEC is the best football conference And the school has different priorities. Football is a bigger deal at LSU. So yeah its a step up for Aranda certainly in some ways.
On the flip side, Wisconsin trys to say that we are nearly equal in wins and have spent a ton less money on assistants to do it. And the argument goes that when we have lost to a program that does pay a lot more that the difference in the game is the players talent, not usually the coaching. A rebuttal of course is that great coaching draws in better players.
If Wisconsin and LSU would have traded coaching staffs this year would the team's records be much different? I might be inclined to argue that LSU would have won more with the UW staff and that Wisconsin may have lost more. Just a guess of course, but interesting to consider. Not that i dont like Miles, but I loved our OC and DC package this year. Offensively we were a bunch of walkons for crying out loud.
From my vantage point Wisconsin needs to find a way to be more competitive with salaries but not get caught up in the extreme arms race that exists in the SEC west. After all...some places overpay extremely and have nothing to show for it. Look to the state west of Louisiana.
But if I had to choose I would take some looser admission standards over higher coaching salaries, because we lose guys all the time over that. And players win games.
I think Aranda's ceiling at LSU is very high and I am still mad he is gone, but good for him and LSU. No reason it shouldn't be a lethal combo.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:07 pm to 7sbelegendary
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As for me? I like that UW can play in Final Fours and Rose Bowls without selling its academic or financial soul. I like that UW is a university with a football team and not the other way around. I like that UW recruits athletes who can entertain a nation not only with their basketball skill but with their intelligence and humor. I like that UW keeps athletics somewhat in perspective.
Oh he really left the reservation with this part
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:17 pm to crazyatthecamp
I enjoyed your post, but in the past 10 or 20 years LSU and Wisconsin are not:
LSU won the national title in 2003, 2007, and played for another in 2011 (losing to a team they already beat).
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Pretty comparable on paper.
LSU won the national title in 2003, 2007, and played for another in 2011 (losing to a team they already beat).
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:25 pm to BasilBogomil
No, national titles, certainly we are not.
What I was saying (poorly) that stats show from 1993-2014
LSU is 10th nationally in winning percentage at .70 and Wisconsin is 11th at .69.
LSU has 193 wins in that time and Wisconsin has 195 wins.
Obviously LSU has played tougher opponents to get those wins and LSU has the nattys.
What I was saying (poorly) that stats show from 1993-2014
LSU is 10th nationally in winning percentage at .70 and Wisconsin is 11th at .69.
LSU has 193 wins in that time and Wisconsin has 195 wins.
Obviously LSU has played tougher opponents to get those wins and LSU has the nattys.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:33 pm to PurpleKnight88
It is a better job. Not lateral.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:58 pm to kmcarabante
If you think being the CEO of a small business is the same as being CEO of a Fortune 500 company, then yeah, Aranda made a lateral move...
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:22 am to PurpleKnight88
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He went from being a DC to being a DC. Is our DC position something like a Co-head coach or something? Why wouldn't it be considered a lateral move? Is it because he's moving to a program that traditionally has better talent available than his previous school?
Let's make it simple. Say you have a job, another company hires you to do the same job for twice the pay. Not a lateral move IMO
Posted on 1/9/16 at 12:28 am to 7sbelegendary
Awe boohoo
Get over it
Get over it
Posted on 1/9/16 at 1:20 am to 7sbelegendary
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"Last week, defensive coordinator Dave Aranda left the football program after three acclaimed seasons to take the same job at LSU, a step many fans viewed as a lateral move"
someone's butt-hurt about it.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 1:22 am to crazyatthecamp
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No, national titles, certainly we are not.
What I was saying (poorly) that stats show from 1993-2014
LSU is 10th nationally in winning percentage at .70 and Wisconsin is 11th at .69.
LSU has 193 wins in that time and Wisconsin has 195 wins.
Obviously LSU has played tougher opponents to get those wins and LSU has the nattys.
Wisconsin is a top program, no doubt.
Was already looking forward to the match up next season, but now it is even more interesting thanks to Aranda.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 6:41 am to PurpleKnight88
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He went from being a DC to being a DC. Is our DC position something like a Co-head coach or something? Why wouldn't it be considered a lateral move? Is it because he's moving to a program that traditionally has better talent available than his previous school?
Yeah because...
DC at LSU = DC at Wisconsin = DC at Southern = DC at St. Aug
Sorry, purpleknight, $1.3 MM from $0.5 MM is NOT lateral.
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