re: Will Wade's Hearing Date

Fair enough, but you do seem equally as connected.

ETA. I don’t pretend to have any inside info. Just know how to read and comprehend what comes out.

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This is a win for LSU.

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The real winner in this deal is LSU.

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The real winner in this deal is LSU.

Wade was a weak coach (good recruiter, albeit not an honest one). He needed to go. His failure to hide his chicanery got him removed from coaching (hopefully, for a long time). He's gone from LSU and won't ever be back. This is a win for LSU.

Only his sycophantic "idiot savant" fan base still moans his demise.

ETA: 1. Whether his dismissal was just doesn't matter at this point. 2. I have no animosity towards Wade. It is his fawning "I hope he drops trou" fan base that is so annoying.

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If you want to say that Wade is overhyped by some on this board, I'll agree with you. But to say he was a "weak" coach and LSU is the "real winner" in his firing is absurd. Particularly when looking at the state of the program less than one year after his departure.

Wade won 56 games in the SEC in his 5 seasons. That stacks up pretty well with amount of wins during that same time period by some of the other SEC coaches generally recognized to be among the best in the league.

Calipari - 62 wins
Barnes - 61 wins
Pearl - 58 wins

Wade's total of 56 is probably a little more impressive when view in the context that total incorporates his first season at LSU in which he inherited a program that had just won 2 SEC games the year before and was picked to finish last again. The other three guys who have 6, 5, and 2 more wins, respectively, weren't in a "rebuilding" year in 17-18.

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Only his sycophantic "idiot savant" fan base still moans his demise.

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How can you not if you purport to call yourself a fan of LSU basketball? In the 25 years before Wade's arrival LSU had reach a, combined, 6 NCAA Tournaments. Only one time in consecutive years. In Wade's 5 seasons they would have gone to 4 straight had the 2020 tournament not been canceled. He had the best 5 year start to a career of any LSU basketball coach in modern history. And it's not like he was in a Les Miles position where he took over a program 2 years removed from a National Championship with a roster poised to immediately compete for more. In a program that had seen far more lows than highs in the 2 decades prior to Wade's arrival, LSU may have been at its lowest point when he took over.

Today LSU basketball sits in a position where the current HC in is first year is fighting to avoid tying the worst SEC record in school history and there is virtually no identifiable reason for optimism in the near future. While I didn't like the decision, there was justification for Woodward to fire Wade after the NOA was received. But doing so under the auspices of avoiding/mitigating administrative sanctions may have resulted in a worse "penalty"...a bottom dwelling program that will be mired in apathy for at least the next few years. And if the history of LSU basketball in any indication, that period of apathy, inconsistency, and mediocrity could span many years

The bottom line is that while LSU did not reach the apex of the sport during Wade's time at LSU, the basketball program WAS experiencing its most consistent period of winning in nearly three decades. That is simply not debatable. So to say (or suggest) LSU is better off without him around as we watch what has been a disaster of a season under a HC who looks wholly overmatched in every aspect is laughable.

I don't know about that. But I betcha he has an awkward emotional tie to LSU motherfLucking winning.

I've BLED purple and gold for 45 years in regards to football and men's basketball.

I invest money in those programs by going to various road games (I live in VA, or I'd be at EVERY home game). Hell, the son and I flew out to LA a couple years back to witness the UCLA debacle.

I CONTINUOUSLY follow these 2 sports year round recruiting, etc...

We had a winner in Wade, and an AD who bent over and let his in law go to town on him to wipe some of the egg off of his face he got for being a shitty NCAA president.

So yes, I AM PISSED that we got rid of the best coach we've had since Dale, and most likely Scott Drew 2.0. And I don't apologize for it, because I LOVE LSU.

For the record, I fall asleep 30 seconds after my head hits the pillow, and I do JUST FINE separating my real life from sports. Thanks for the concern though.

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The paying out of the wife's bank account was for the former girlfriend of one of his former player's when he was coaching at VCU. It had NOTHING to do with LSU or any of it's players. If you are going after Wade, at least be precise in what you are saying.

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This is factually incorrect. If you read the last line of the allegation (Allegation #5 of the NOA, see below for full text of said Allegation #5), it is clearly spelled out that the dates of the text exchange between the ex-fiance and Wade concerning the payments coincided with the time that Wade was attempting the secure the commitment of the player, meaning that during the period that these text messages were being made Wade was attempting to get the commitment of the player. And "commitment" is the key word here.

LSU hired Wade in March of 2017 and the text string occurred in late July and early August of 2017.

Here is my question to you, how can a coach be seeking the commitment of a player to his former school (VCU) when the time frame of the incidents is when he was employed at another school (LSU)?

Don't get hung up on the "former student-athlete" as referenced in the Allegation, because at the time of the writing of the NOA that player was in the NBA, hence the terminology of "former student-athlete" in the Allegation.

Below is the full redacted text of the Allegation, emphasis was added to the final line of said Allegation:


NOTICE OF ALLEGATIONS
Case No. 00909
March 7, 2022
Page No. 4
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5. [NCAA Division I Manual Bylaws 10.01.1, 10.1, 13.2.1, 13.2.1, 13.2.1.1-(e) (2016-17)]
It is alleged that, between at least April and November 2017, Will Wade (Wade), head men’s basketball coach, violated the principles of ethical conduct and provided impermissible cash payments to the former fiancée of a student-athlete in order to buy her silence regarding prior and current impermissible inducements to student-athletes or prospective student-athletes. Specifically, Wade agreed to send money to _____, the former fiancée of former student- athlete _____, to keep quiet about Wade’s payments to student-athletes. The communications between ________ and Wade exist as text messages on Wade’s cell phone. Specifically, on July 25, 2017, _______ sent a text to Wade, “I know you also gave money to some of your new recruits. . .” On July 26, 2017, _______ sent Wade another text, “. . .
my trainer I use to work with has talked to a few ppl in the basketball world & have offered me money to talk. Pls contact me by the end of the day or I will have to take them up on the offer.” Wade’s reply to these text messages was, “Call me.” On July 27, 2017, _____ sent another text, “I need 5 more to put a down payment on a car. Put it in the same account.” On July 28, 2017, _____ continued, “Send 9 to this account (my mon’s [sic] ... you’ve done your part now I have to do mine and make sure this doesn’t get out.” On
July 31, 2017, _______ sent another text, “Wade it’s _____. Did you get my message?” Wade replied the same day, “Yes I did. I thought we were done.” replied, “I told you
when I went back to the dealership he told me I had to put more money down because of my credit. We will be done w everything after this...” Wade replied the following day on
August 1, 2017,“I’m sorry you are having money issues. You said we were done after the last transfer I sent, so in my mind we are done.” The timing of this exchange between ______ and Wade coincides with the inducements offered by Wade to secure _______’s commitment.

This had nothing to do with VCU or Wade's time at VCU. The internet poppycock that you posted is garbage and unfounded in reality.

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This is coming from outdated understanding of how NCAA decisions are made. Cases that go to the IARP are more out of the NCAA's hands.

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That’s just window dressing. Memphis’ most effective response to the IARP’s NOA against them was the panel’s total lack of independence from the NCAA. One of the member of that “independent” panel was a former NCAA employee who worked in investigations. There were NCAA staff involved in all meetings with school officials. NCAA staff conducted multiple interviews with coaches, players and others in place of members of the panel. Does any of this sound even remotely independent to you?

No matter what the IARP’s decisions ultimately are in LSU’s and Wade’s cases, they are not truly independent. The NCAA has its hands all over every one of these investigations.

Most of this was from the Javonte Smart stuff which nothing came from it. It was investigated and nothing happened.

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Neither Samson nor Pearl went through the IARP process. It is a totally different ball game now. NCAA is actually held to their own rules.

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See my previous post. The “independence” of the IARP is fantasy. The NCAA is directly involved in every case. There are former employees on the panels. They have employees involved throughout the process.

The IARP is being dissolved after its cases in progress are completed. It’s been a joke since it’s inception and everyone, NCAA included, knows it at this point.

You can say that all you want, most of the punishment coming out of the IARP have been less severe than under the NCAA. Oklahoma St may be the only exception.

I’m not aware of any head coaches receiving show causes under the IARP.