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re: Will Wade?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:53 pm to joejetpilot
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:53 pm to joejetpilot
This thread needs this from my other thread:
In his first 5 years after taking over a 10-21 (2-16) team, Will wade has gone:
18-15 (NIT 2nd Rd)
28-7 (SEC Champ; Sweet Sixteen)
21-10 (Tourney team but for COVID)
19-10 (NCAAT 2nd Rd)
15-4* (Incomplete)
82-46 (64% win)
In his first 5 years at Duke after taking over a 24-9 (7-7) elite 8 team, Coach K went:
17-13 (NIT Quarterfinal)
10-17
11-17
24-10 (NCAA 2nd Rd)
23-8 (NCAA 2nd Rd)
85-65 (57% win)
It took Coach K 6 seasons to finish higher than 3rd in the conference and get past the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. It took Wade 2 seasons.
Look... I am not saying Wade will be as successful as Coach K, but I swear some of you idiots would have wanted Coach K fired in 1982-83.
Not only did Wade take over a far inferior team he has done more in his first 5 seasons (with one incomplete) than Coach K did.
Maybe let's all chill out and see how the season plays out. We were picked to finish 6th in the SEC and are currently 15-4 (3-4) following the toughest 7 game stretch on our schedule. The entire season without Adam Miller, most of the 7-game stretch without Pinson, and part of it without Days and Murray.
TL;DR: our fans are dumb and reactionary
In his first 5 years after taking over a 10-21 (2-16) team, Will wade has gone:
18-15 (NIT 2nd Rd)
28-7 (SEC Champ; Sweet Sixteen)
21-10 (Tourney team but for COVID)
19-10 (NCAAT 2nd Rd)
15-4* (Incomplete)
82-46 (64% win)
In his first 5 years at Duke after taking over a 24-9 (7-7) elite 8 team, Coach K went:
17-13 (NIT Quarterfinal)
10-17
11-17
24-10 (NCAA 2nd Rd)
23-8 (NCAA 2nd Rd)
85-65 (57% win)
It took Coach K 6 seasons to finish higher than 3rd in the conference and get past the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. It took Wade 2 seasons.
Look... I am not saying Wade will be as successful as Coach K, but I swear some of you idiots would have wanted Coach K fired in 1982-83.
Not only did Wade take over a far inferior team he has done more in his first 5 seasons (with one incomplete) than Coach K did.
Maybe let's all chill out and see how the season plays out. We were picked to finish 6th in the SEC and are currently 15-4 (3-4) following the toughest 7 game stretch on our schedule. The entire season without Adam Miller, most of the 7-game stretch without Pinson, and part of it without Days and Murray.
TL;DR: our fans are dumb and reactionary
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Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:55 pm to DBG
What has he won?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:55 pm to lsufootball5150
The fricking SEC dumbfrick
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:56 pm to chRxis
Do we forget how bad lsu was before WW came?
Trent and JJ had two combined tourney appearances. WW potentially has 3 in 5 seasons. 4 if you count the COVID canceled season.
Clearly we are better with WW at the helm.
Trent and JJ had two combined tourney appearances. WW potentially has 3 in 5 seasons. 4 if you count the COVID canceled season.
Clearly we are better with WW at the helm.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 7:57 pm to The Pirate King
This is ?? FACT!
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:01 pm to joejetpilot
I like Wade. He needs a good offensive scheme guy and doesn't have one. Too many bad shots. Also we don't have a Skylar Mays leader out there, and they play too out of control, not coordinated.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:09 pm to BobBarker
quote:
How the frick does it look the same? Before this season we had one of the most efficient offenses in the country, while our defense consistently struggled. This year it’s the exact opposite, our defense is the absolute best in the country and our offense struggles to produce. So explain how it looks the same?
i'm talking about the state of the program, overall... not offensive and/or defensive philosophy... you must have missed that in your blind rage post...
again, i've noted all the "consistencies" we see with Will Wade coached teams... they are bad traits that prevent teams from achieving high levels of success... he'll always be able to win more games than he loses because he gets a ton of talent, but again, can't do shite with it once he has it... b/c he's not a great coach... period
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:13 pm to chRxis
quote:
frick no... he can recruit, and win you meaningless non-conference games, with the occasional win vs. a big program, but consistently winning and building a program, frick no...
He has already won an SEC title in his first 5 years and the team has made the tourney every year but his 1st year. He has his shortcomings and still has much to learn as a gameday coach, but he is clearly consistently winning and building a program.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:16 pm to chRxis
quote:
pretty easy to type that on the other side of that computer, all comfortable at your house, you internet badass you...
Aye that’s the beauty of the internet my man. I can call you a cocksucking bitch and there ain’t shite you can do about it. It’s great bro.
quote:
i'm talking about consistently winning stuff that matters... you know like SEC Championships, NCAA championships, etc... not "having a good record and making the tournament"... we should, at the very least, expect to make the tournament every year, or more often than not... shite they take 68 fricking teams every year...
So he’s won the SEC already and went to the conference tournament final last year. The two times we’ve lost in the tournament it’s been to a 1 seed each time. Not like we’re getting upset by George Mason or UMBC here. Making the tournament each season should be our goal at this juncture. It’s something we haven’t consistently done in our programs history. The more we make the tournament, the more shots we have at making a run and Wade has us doing that.
quote:
great... and we've done frick all in the 2 NCAA tournaments we went to with Wade... sorry if i don't think getting to the Sweet Sixteen 3 years ago is putting us on a great upward trajectory now...
You said he couldn’t consistently beat big programs. Since 2018, we’re 6-4 against Arky, 8-0 against A&M, 3-1 against USCe, 4-1 against UT, 3-0 against MSU, 6-0 against Ole Miss, 2-3 vs UK, 2-3 against AU, 3-5 against Bama, and 3-5 against UF. Those are all the teams that have made the NCAA tournament since Wade started coaching here. Thats look he consistently wins against the more decent to good programs in our conference.
I think you just have a warped perception of what success should look like it at this point. To say he’s been anything but a success is idiotic to say the least. We also that he’s 39 and was only 34 when we hired him. The fact he’s built a consistent winner out of a program that was in the gutter is a testament to his skill as a coach, recruiter, and program builder.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:16 pm to joejetpilot
No
His teams are undisciplined.
His teams are undisciplined.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:19 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:
Do we forget how bad lsu was before WW came?
What
The
He’ll
Does
The
Past
Matter!?
It’s about the future. We have a new AD, new president and lots of new coaches now and expectations are higher than they’ve ever been.
Wade is nearing the end of his contract. We need to step back and look at his work with objectivity so that we can make a reasonable decision on whether or not we want to continue with him or find a new coach who might do better.
Why wouldn’t an LSU fan not want that!?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:34 pm to chRxis
yea i do but some of this b/s is not being critical.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:41 pm to ellis197575
quote:
This team has been undisciplined
Undisciplined teams don’t play defense like we do.
We just don’t have guards or shooters.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 8:41 pm to joejetpilot
I’ll say no, but it could be possible if certain things are changed. I will say, he’s shown a willingness to grow as a coach, so with the right things coming together, it’s possible.
Posted on 1/22/22 at 10:40 pm to joejetpilot
quote:
Will Wade?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 11:34 pm to Chalkywhite84
Another shooter?
How about A shooter?
How about A shooter?
Posted on 1/22/22 at 11:38 pm to red sox fan 13
They are not getting rid of him. He has the program winning. He just needs to adjust some things.
Posted on 1/23/22 at 1:49 pm to SammyTiger
Our defense is a product of athleticism, not discipline. You would think the coaching staff would ensure Reid understand that he can't keep switching and getting caught on guards, definitely not the opponents point guard. Every night teams welcome the switch and once Reid switches on to a guard, they drive the paint or easily take him off the dribble and create an open look for themselves. When they not looking to score, they dribble pass Reid and cause other defenders to help, and they dish the ball to the open man...Or they beat Reid off the dribble, drive into the lane and score or dish for an open layup.
Reid switching onto guards is a nightmare for this team. He's too slow to guard other centers and forwards, he's definitely not guarding any guards. Not to mention it draws him out the paint and leaves the inside open. We often get caught committing fouls by trying to rotate over to help stop the guard that has blown pass Reid (reach-in fouls) or our smaller defenders get caught in the paint trying to guard the opponents center and ends up fouling. There's a reason LSU is constantly getting called for fouls and its not a conspiracy against LSU. That same defensive approach our fans like, if LSU was more DISCIPLINED it would be even better. Until then, this team will continue to tally up lots of fouls.
At some point our fans will realize its a coaching problem. WW comes to LSU with no real HC'ing experience. I've read posts where our fans argue about WW being a top 10 coach. That's laughable, no way a guy in his first real gig as a HC is going to come close to being 1 of the top 10 coaches in NCAA basketball. Unless you're a fan that simply doesn't know the resume and accomplishments of a lot of coaches. I'm 46 and I've seen coaches get fired from programs because they couldn't get the program where it needed to be...and they were a lot better than Will Wade at coaching. A program like LSU will accept WW because we've never truly been a basketball school. WW would never be hired at many elite basketball programs and the ones that did hire him, he would definitely have a short leash.
Reid switching onto guards is a nightmare for this team. He's too slow to guard other centers and forwards, he's definitely not guarding any guards. Not to mention it draws him out the paint and leaves the inside open. We often get caught committing fouls by trying to rotate over to help stop the guard that has blown pass Reid (reach-in fouls) or our smaller defenders get caught in the paint trying to guard the opponents center and ends up fouling. There's a reason LSU is constantly getting called for fouls and its not a conspiracy against LSU. That same defensive approach our fans like, if LSU was more DISCIPLINED it would be even better. Until then, this team will continue to tally up lots of fouls.
At some point our fans will realize its a coaching problem. WW comes to LSU with no real HC'ing experience. I've read posts where our fans argue about WW being a top 10 coach. That's laughable, no way a guy in his first real gig as a HC is going to come close to being 1 of the top 10 coaches in NCAA basketball. Unless you're a fan that simply doesn't know the resume and accomplishments of a lot of coaches. I'm 46 and I've seen coaches get fired from programs because they couldn't get the program where it needed to be...and they were a lot better than Will Wade at coaching. A program like LSU will accept WW because we've never truly been a basketball school. WW would never be hired at many elite basketball programs and the ones that did hire him, he would definitely have a short leash.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 5:41 pm to ellis197575
quote:
Our defense is a product of athleticism, not discipline. You would think the coaching staff would ensure Reid understand that he can't keep switching and getting caught on guards, definitely not the opponents point guard. Every night teams welcome the switch and once Reid switches on to a guard, they drive the paint or easily take him off the dribble and create an open look for themselves. When they not looking to score, they dribble pass Reid and cause other defenders to help, and they dish the ball to the open man...Or they beat Reid off the dribble, drive into the lane and score or dish for an open layup.
Reid switching onto guards is a nightmare for this team. He's too slow to guard other centers and forwards, he's definitely not guarding any guards. Not to mention it draws him out the paint and leaves the inside open. We often get caught committing fouls by trying to rotate over to help stop the guard that has blown pass Reid (reach-in fouls) or our smaller defenders get caught in the paint trying to guard the opponents center and ends up fouling. There's a reason LSU is constantly getting called for fouls and its not a conspiracy against LSU. That same defensive approach our fans like, if LSU was more DISCIPLINED it would be even better. Until then, this team will continue to tally up lots of fouls.
At some point our fans will realize its a coaching problem. WW comes to LSU with no real HC'ing experience. I've read posts where our fans argue about WW being a top 10 coach. That's laughable, no way a guy in his first real gig as a HC is going to come close to being 1 of the top 10 coaches in NCAA basketball. Unless you're a fan that simply doesn't know the resume and accomplishments of a lot of coaches. I'm 46 and I've seen coaches get fired from programs because they couldn't get the program where it needed to be...and they were a lot better than Will Wade at coaching. A program like LSU will accept WW because we've never truly been a basketball school. WW would never be hired at many elite basketball programs and the ones that did hire him, he would definitely have a short leash.
this... all of it...
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