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re: Will Ensminger be the OC next season?

Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:32 pm to
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Youre defining Mike leach's offense in direct opposition to what MIKE LEACH says it is.


said he runs a spread. You can call it what you want.

It's very different from the AirRaid he's traditionally ran

It's just a personal trademark now
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 6:33 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48274 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:38 pm to
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It's just a personal trademark now





Its still the Air Raid.
Wow. The fact that you think you decide what the air raid is over the fricking offense's developer is astounding.

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:39 pm to
No it’s not and I just posted Washington States website in which they and he calls it the “Air RAID” offense. There’s only one other Air Raid offense I’m aware of at a major college and that was Kentucky under Mumme where Leach was the QB/OC coach.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:42 pm to
You don’t think TT was with Kliff?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:42 pm to
Why can’t you just admit you’re wrong or made a mistake here? There’s literally no evidence to support what you’re saying and tons of evidence to refute it. I’m not like you I’m not gonna throw a gotcha post or rub it in your face that you were wrong but you’re wrong and can’t even admit it.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:43 pm to
From wiki:

In American football the air raid offense refers to an offensive scheme popularized by such coaches as Mike Leach, Hal Mumme, Sonny Dykes, and Tony Franklin during their tenures at Iowa Wesleyan University, Valdosta State, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Louisiana Tech, and Washington State.

The system is designed out of a shotgun formation with four wide receivers and one running back. The formations are a variation of the run and shoot offense with two outside receivers and two inside slot receivers. The offense also uses trips formations featuring three wide receivers on one side of the field and a lone single receiver on the other side

By definition, that’s the spread.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299218 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:44 pm to
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No it’s not and I just posted Washington States website in which they and he calls it the “Air RAID” offense.


His personal term

It's just a variety of spread.

The old air raid used to rely on WRs finding open spaces, leaches current offense just gets the ball in the hands of playmakers very quickly.

Kingsbury is credited with running an air raid simply because he's from Leaches tree run an air raid?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:44 pm to
It’s very possible but I just never heard it called that under him. Now he does come from Leach so maybe it’s a copy of that andvis the “air raid” offebse but he also learned under Sean Peyton so he’s probly taken stuff from him as well. I wouldn’t be surprised or ague against it, I just never heard it called that but sure could’ve been.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79427 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:45 pm to
The issue isn’t that you refuse to call it the Air Raid.

The issue is when everyone else talks about the Air Raid you start having your half of the conversation about a 40 year old Offense.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:49 pm to
Leach calls his offense the “air raid” offense, it’s the air raid offense but of course it’s a form of spread. But the term “spread offense” can mean a lot of different things and just means that the offense mostly operates out of the shotgun. Herman’s spread is different than Mullen’s which is different than Leach’s or June Jones’. The Air aid is what Leach runs and Hal Mumme ran.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:50 pm to
The “spread” is a broad term its like “pro style,” there are a bunch of different spread offenses just like there are a bunch of different pro style offenses
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79427 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:50 pm to
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The old air raid used to rely on WRs finding open spaces, leaches current offense just gets the ball in the hands of playmakers very quickly.


He always coached both.

You’re wrong
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:51 pm to
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just means that the offense mostly operates out of the shotgun


The true definition of the spread is three or more WRs. That’s it. RPOs, Air Raid are variations on the spread formation.
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:53 pm to
The true pro-style offense was two backs split side by side behind the QB. That term has been bastardized of late.
Posted by roguetiger15
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:53 pm to
When I saw him at the South Carolina basketball game he was chillin in his LSU jogging suit eating the frick out of his popcorn and enjoying life to the fullest knowing he’s always going to be in with O
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299218 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:55 pm to
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The “spread” is a broad term its like “pro style,” there are a bunch of different spread offenses just like there are a bunch of different pro style offenses


He ran a spread offense a year and tried to balance it a bit more. The "air raid" relies on windows, which WSU didn't use very consistently

Again, you can call it air raid but it has abandoned many air raid concepts . Their RBs were the main thrust of the passing game out of the backfield.

It's just a spread.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48274 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:56 pm to
The air raid is considered papa spread.it put spread offenses on the map.

There 4 main spread offenses.

Air raid, spread option,smash mouth spread,and prostyle spread.

Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70594 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:56 pm to
Well not exactly, you have the west coast offense which is mainly a 2 back offense, you have the “air Coryell offense whochbis a single back pro-style offensue and you have the Perkins-Earhart offense which is the most multiple offense that New England runs, so not all pro-style offenses are 2 back offenses.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 6:56 pm
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14817 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:57 pm to
I like how this kids call it new modern offense when it’s all based on the late 80s and early 90s run and shoot offenses that briefly dominated the NFL.
Posted by uscpuke
Member since Jan 2004
6308 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:57 pm to
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