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re: Will Ensminger be the OC next season?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Its one of the 4 versions of spread.
Its still the air raid offense. The guys that helped develop the offense knows what the air raid is.
Its still the air raid offense. The guys that helped develop the offense knows what the air raid is.
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The original Air Raid was basically taking the West Coast passing game, simplifying it to a purely conceptual level, and then making every formational and personnel decision around maximizing those passing concepts. So Leach would use wide OL splits to help buy time for his QBs to make full field reads, he'd choose tall, heavy OL that were good at being obstacles, and he'd flood the field with fast, sure-handed receivers.
The modern versions of the Air Raid have tended to mute the wide splits and overly pass-heavy emphasis of the original Air Raid. Run/pass options (RPOs) and dual-threat QBs have been a major boon to the system and allowed teams to get enough out of their running game to be balanced and stop defenses from embracing the same kind of extreme, pass-focus to stop them.
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That’s just not true, the offebse he’s running now is the same one he used at Texas Tech. Yea he’s added things and evolved like all coaches do but it’s still the “air raid” offense and is based on the principals he’s always used.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:59 pm to The First Cut
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like how this kids call it new modern offense when it’s all based on the late 80s and early 90s run and shoot offenses that briefly dominated the NFL.
Who is a kid in here?
Air raid is a mesh of run and shoot and west coast.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 6:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The air raid is considered papa spread.it put spread offenses on the map.
Wrong. Run and shoot offenses were all the rage in the late 80s. They were the next best thing and killed the two TE single back set that dominated after John Riggins and the Redskins won the Super Bowl running that offense.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:01 pm to Madking
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That’s just not true, the offebse he’s running now is the same one he used at Texas Tech. Yea he’s added things and evolved like all coaches do but it’s still the “air raid” offense and is based on the principals he’s always us
Exactly. All he did was put tad more emphasis on rb. That in no way chnages his concepts and philosophy.
He still runs vertical option routes.
I dont know why we are arguing this. Mike leach knows what the air raid is over Rogertheshrubber.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:01 pm to Madking
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the offebse he’s running now is the same one he used at Texas Tech.
Nah it's not. It's just a short yardage passing game. Doesn't utilize all the crosses and windows nearly as much
Air raid is more of a proprietary label than separate offens these days. Anyone from the leach tree gets pinned with it
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:04 pm to The First Cut
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Wrong. Run and shoot offenses were all the rage in the late 80s. They were the next best thing and killed the two TE single back set that dominated after John Riggins and the Redskins won the Super Bowl running that offense.
Mike leach disagrees with you.
Do you know when the air raid was developed?
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The system is designed out of a shotgun formationwith four wide receivers and one running back. The formations are a variation of the run and shoot offense with two outside receivers and two inside slot receivers that pu empahisis on west coast routes
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Here is mike leach talking about when they developed the air raid. Notice what he says about routes rodger
You dont know what youre talking about
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ike Leach has made reference that he and Hal Mumme largely incorporated much of the BYU passing attack into what is now known as the air raid offense. Some of the concepts such as the shallow cross route were incorporated into such offenses as the West Coast offense during the early 1990s as well
You dont know what youre talking about
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
My god man you’re actually arguing with the guy who fricking runs the offense. You’ve got some serious issues
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:09 pm to Madking
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My god man you’re actually arguing with the guy who fricking runs the offense. You’ve got some serious issues
Leach even aays that they took west coast route concepts and meshed with the run and shoot.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Link?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:19 pm to Madking
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My god man you’re actually arguing with the guy who fricking runs the offense. You’ve got some serious issues
I'm not arguing with leach.
I don't think he cares what you call it, it's just a version of the spread that stuck with him via media.
The short yardage passing offense was great for ball control which was the original argument
That's vastly different for the "air ad".
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's vastly different for the "air ad".
He developed the air with short passing concepts from the west coast.
You don't know what youre talking about.
I just posted Leach saying this. Just admit youre wrong.
Here it is again....
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Leach has made reference that he and Hal Mumme largely incorporated much of the BYU passing attack into what is now known as the air raid offense. Some of the concepts such as the shallow cross route were incorporated into such offenses as the West Coast offense during the early 1990s as well
The short passing routes WERE ALWAYS A BIG PART OF THE AIR RAID.
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You don't know what youre talking about.
Absolutely I do.
You're the one hung up on the air raid thing, not I.
He's just running a spread with a few air raid concepts.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Yea you are, you’re saying that Leach is lying that he doesn’t run the offebse he claims to run, that after 20 years of successful coaching he all of the sudden changed his offense and lies about it to everyone when asked. You can’t provide any proof of this only that you say so and a couple of made up concepts you pulled out of thin air that actually are no different than what he’s always done. His run pass ratio hasn’t changed his yards per play hasn’t changed his production and the players who excel in his offense hasn’t changed, his favorite plays haven’t changed but because you can’t admit you’re wrong you insist it has. Can you produce any evidence to back up your theory? Because I just posted Wazus website saying that Leach does run the Air Raud offense and I believe has some of his favorite plays on it. If I didn’t post the page with plays on it I’ll be happy to but it won’t matter because you’ve proved that reality means nothing to you and your delusion trumps even the coach who runs the offenses’ own statements.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No it’s not it’s literally the “Air Raid” offense it can’t be vastly different because that’s what it is.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
This is literally the most insane bullshite I’ve ever seen someone try to pull.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:29 pm to Madking
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No it’s not it’s literally the “Air Raid” offense
Good, we agree
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You're the one hung up on the air raid thing, not I.
He's just running a spread with a few air raid concepts.
Only 1 of us is actually posting facts about the development era of the air raid.
Only 1 of us is using his tried and true tactic of ," nuh uh. No its not."
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:31 pm to Madking
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Yea you are, you’re saying that Leach is lying that he doesn’t run the offebse he claims to run, that after 20 years of successful coaching he all of the sudden changed his offense and lies about it to everyone when asked. You can’t provide any proof of this only that you say so and a couple of made up concepts you pulled out of thin air that actually are no different than what he’s always done. His run pass ratio hasn’t changed his yards per play hasn’t changed his production and the players who excel in his offense hasn’t changed, his favorite plays haven’t changed but because you can’t admit you’re wrong you insist it has. Can you produce any evidence to back up your theory? Because I just posted Wazus website saying that Leach does run the Air Raud offense and I believe has some of his favorite plays on it. If I didn’t post the page with plays on it I’ll be happy to but it won’t matter because you’ve proved that reality means nothing to you and your delusion trumps even the coach who runs the offenses’ own statements.
Dont you know that Mike Leach's opinion is nothing compared to Rogertheshrubber's ,"nah".
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